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Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by nerdjon »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #167
nerdjon wrote: post #157

It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number. I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more. The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to sta…

> The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone And that's fine The feature is not for you You can keep using your iPhone as you always did, through the Apple app store But, there's a but: how many users would answer "no" to "would you like to download our app and get a 30% discount for the same exact features"?

Unless I am mistaken, there is nothing here that says a developer has to continue to also have their app on the App Store and allow purchasing through the App Store in addition to their own billing.

Meaning, no I actually won't be able to use my iPhone as I always did once this becomes normalized and accepted.

Please correct me if I am wrong about what the rule for this actually is.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by sbuk »

afavour wrote: post #164
nerdjon wrote: post #157

It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number. I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more. The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to sta…

> so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand…

If it’s enforced by regulations, by definition it’s no longer a “free” market. It’s a regulated one.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by [deleted] »

frizlab wrote: post #59
klaustopher wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From a business point, I can totally understand what Apple is doing. Making this as painful and unpredictable (as a developer you never know if your app will be successfull and gain more than 1 million installs) is the way to keep developers using the old contract and keep them on the app store. This makes sense for Apple to find every loophole possible ... As a consumer, and an Apple users, I want them to be slapped…

Funny how things go. As a consumer especially, but even as a developer I don’t want the DMA to succeed and purposefully want iOS to be a walled garden. It’s literally one of the reasons why I’m on iOS!

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Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by hu3 »

generalizations wrote: post #176
hu3 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it interesting that some pro-Wallet garden folks argument is: "Don't like Apple? Don't buy it then." Well I can use the same argument for apps. "Don't like this third party app store or their dark patterns? Don't buy it then." Vote with your wallet, goes both ways. Or, hear me out, let's regulate so neither Apple nor other vendors can abuse their customers. And it's not like Apple's protection is effective. Ap…

> Vote with your wallet, goes both ways. So just buy an android. Vote with your wallet! Show Apple their walled garden isn't what people want.

Yes I do prefer Android because I like being treated as an adult. So I already do that.

Apple is not currently a choice given that requirement but having more choices is a win on my book so you go EU!

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by sparrowInHand »

How about companies ripped off by apple get together and offer the european union a "neutral" plattform, a app-store of its own without app-store tarifs? Make infrastructure infrastructure again and destroy the walled gardens while they are at it?

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

sbuk wrote: post #182
afavour wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? How many users actually understand the issues at stake, though? I don't say that to be patronizing but it's a nuanced, thorny problem. I bet if you simply asked "do you think it should be allowed to download porn apps?" a good number of users (if asked anonymously!) would say yes. How many users understand…

If it’s enforced by regulations, by definition it’s no longer a “free” market. It’s a regulated one.

The regulations made the smartphone/mobile OS market non-free in order to make the "apps for " market free.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by littlestymaar »

nerdjon wrote: post #157

It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number. I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more. The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to sta…

> The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone

It's obviously not the case. Not you, not anyone else.

You obviously aren't mad about how unsafe MacOs is because Apple doesn't restrict installation on it. And you shouldn't be mad that the iPhone walled garden is no more, you did not buy it for that reason.

It's somehow concerning that the company has so much grasp on your perception of reality that you are spitting out their propaganda like this.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by rglullis »

nerdjon wrote: post #157

It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number. I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more. The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to sta…

See, that's the cool thing about open markets: if companies start losing money because their customers prefer the walled garden, they will go back to it.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by skrause »

nerdjon wrote: post #157

It really bothers me that so much of this is focused on the developers, and that is the problem here. How many users actually want this? I am sure some, but I doubt it is a significant number. I have said this before here, but I am not looking forward to when this likely eventually comes to the US and as a user I have less control over my phone, not more. The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to sta…

> The walled garden is why I chose an iPhone and continue to stay with the ecosystem.

I only chose an iPhone because I don't really like Android and there is nothing else. Only two different platforms is simply not enough choice, so you have to create choice within those platforms. While you like the walled garden I would like a native Firefox with the Firefox engine and uBlock Origin.

Re: Apple announces ability to download apps directly from websites in EU

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Post by tibbydudeza »

theturtletalks wrote: post #156
captainmuon wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's probably to prevent the most obvious workaround of creating a new shell company for every million users. (Which would be not so ridiculous as it sounds, there is plenty of software you cannot buy directly but only through a reseller. Epic could become a pure b2b shop on paper and sell Fortnite clients to regional distributors, or something like that.) Some time ago somebody made an alternative App Store for em…

Altstore and Altserver got approved as 3rd party marketplaces by Apple. The implementation will be key.

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