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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by mullingitover »

larodi wrote: post #59

I, for once, love living in the EU

If you can't have successful tech giants, you can have principles. If Apple/Meta/Alphabet were European companies the EU regulators would have absolutely no scruples about these things.

Every country talks 'free trade!' out of one side of their mouth, and implements protectionism via various concerns about health/safety/fairness out of the other when it's expedient. The US isn't any different, it's just not tech companies we're worried about (except some clock app that the Gen Z kids are obsessed with).

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by EMIRELADERO »

kraig911 wrote: post #175

The joke, what do you have when you have a group of lawyers up to their necks in dog shit? Not enough dog shit... It's just so insane how fast lawyers can bring the image, will and industry at large to it's knees. I think Apple's legal team should really take a hint (and a hit) from all of us in this industry. You're hurting Apple and the entire dev community more than you're helping.

It's entirely possible that Apple's legal team advised the executives of this outcome and more generally the risks involved with the Epic ban move, but were ignored as a strategic decision.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by dylan604 »

rchaud wrote: post #109
dylan604 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the fact that Epic is the one makes it really hard to care. They really need a better standard bearer. It's kind of like watching ManU play Chelsea. I'd be really happy if both teams could lose.

Every company benefits from not being beholden to the App Store and Apple's sales tax. I couldn't care less that Epic is not a perfect messenger, as long as Apple gets the message.

You call it a sales tax which is not the correct term, so I have an issue seeing your side of it. I see it as someone selling a product in someone else's store. Normal people would call that retail/wholesale pricing in ways that's actually more beneficial to the seller than the retailer in the App Store. Negotiate a 30% rate in negotiating with WalMart/Target/BestBuy, and I'll call you the best negotiator to ever walk the planet.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by thinkerswell »

astlouis44 wrote: post #41

Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

This was an overreach by the EU. Android is open source, let Epic launch their own phone, or their own Android store.

Methinks this crowd loves regulation a bit too much.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by tebbers »

sharikous wrote: post #116
spacedcowboy wrote: post #108

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According to the article it was because Epic met with Apple and gave better assurances that they'd play ball rather than deliberately break their contract like they did last time. Regulators don't seem to have had anything to do with it. --- So what changed? Apple tells 9to5Mac that it has held further discussions with Epic. The result is that Apple has received proper commitment that Epic will play by the rules as l…

Honestly what you describe seems to be an attempt by Apple PR to save face. They fear the spotlight on the fact that even on alternate stores only accounts controlled by Apple can publish apps, which might become the focus of new regulations

There’s no way that the EU permits Apple to control this going forwards.

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by philistine »

adastra22 wrote: post #102
usr1106 wrote: post #77

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Yes, and that's why monopolies must die, in practice desolved by governments. Once you buy a smartphone today you and everybody who wants to do further business with you are at the mercy of a monopolist. For Apple 100%, for Google only 98% because you could side-load. But not a secure and practical solution today.

I don't think monopoly is the right word here.

The fact that every single company that wants to run code on my device needs to be in the good graces of Apple makes no sense.

Why can I run code Apple loathes on my Mac ?

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by oven9342 »

mullingitover wrote: post #181
larodi wrote: post #59

I, for once, love living in the EU

If you can't have successful tech giants, you can have principles. If Apple/Meta/Alphabet were European companies the EU regulators would have absolutely no scruples about these things. Every country talks 'free trade!' out of one side of their mouth, and implements protectionism via various concerns about health/safety/fairness out of the other when it's expedient. The US isn't any different, it's just not tech comp…

I wish my government had hired developers to create useful Linux tools, they gave money to nextcloud instead of paying tribute to Microsoft.

But guess who pays the best bribes?

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by justin66 »

sircastor wrote: post #112
h_tbob wrote: post #90

I hope they can learn to love each other. Makes me so upset when developers and business people can't figure out how to solve this outside of court.

Epic and Apple famously had a close relationship. A few years back, Epic was onstage at every Apple keynote. They were showing off games on iOS on macOS, talking about API development. I understand why Tim Sweeney felt like they were getting ripped off, but it seemed like they had a strong relationship. I wonder if something happened behind the scenes.

I'm sure Apple's 30% cut couldn't possibly be sufficient to explain the rift. I mean, what is this money thing, and why is Epic so worried about it?!?

Re: Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by agust »

bzzzt wrote: post #53
wvenable wrote: post #28

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> If he just complied with the EU then he'd be voted out by the board by the end of the week. Most companies like Facebook and Microsoft quietly comply with the rules as best they can with as little fanfare as possible. Maybe after paying a fine or two. As far as I know, there hasn't been any oustings because of that.

Apple stands to lose a lot more due to the DMA and parties like Spotify and Epic are doing everything they can to make Apple look bad in the public eye.

I'm not sure Apple needs anyone but itself to look bad.
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