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i've not seen evidence of this happening outside of the times of israel repeating IDF accusations
Journalist casualties in the Israel-Gaza war
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"Israel is deliberately starving Palestinians, UN rights expert says" (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/27/un-israel-food...)
"Intentionally depriving people of food is clearly a war crime. Israel has announced its intention to destroy the Palestinian people, in whole or in part, simply for being Palestinian. In my view as a UN human rights expert, this is now a situation of genocide."
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A lot of civilians being killed by the enemy driving global condemnation.
Are there any other examples from history where the goal of combatants was (or at least appeared to be) to maximize the destruction of their own side? If so, what were the outcomes of these?
> Are there any other examples from history where the goal of combatants was (or at least appeared to be) to maximize the destruction of their own side?
Every false flag operation designed to rally support for a conflict.
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That doesn't answer my question? A lot of things are bad, most don't make it to the HackerNews front page...
It seems your trying to build a false narrative to equate HN = too many posts about Israel. To justify some of your other questions in this thread. Israel is commiting genocidal acts that are illegal according to International law. They are starving a population of almost 2 million, collective punishment and indiscriminately killing families. Sorry it bothers you when you see fellow HN Humans act on compassion for ot…
> It seems your trying to build a false narrative to equate HN = too many posts about Israel.
False? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39435324
Either HN is politics free or it is not. As heavily moderated as it is, it is either neutral or it is not.
> Israel is commiting genocidal acts that are illegal according to International law.
If you read my other comments, you know words have meaning. Genocide is very specific. There are multiple countries delivering aid into Gaza, which is wild since Israel is apparently trying to starve them. I wonder if Israel knows about the 100s of tons of food going through the Rafa border every day. Weird that Israel would miss that.
> collective punishment and indiscriminately killing families
Indiscriminately killing families looks like shooting rockets you can't control at a civilian cities, which is a war crime. This is what Hamas has been doing since the start of the war.
Living in a war zone generally means people die. War is bad. Having an army fighting without uniforms (a war crime) among a densely populated civilian city is really bad. Any collateral damage is the fault of the terrorist group that started the war and is still holding civilian hostages (also a war crime).
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> 10% would be considered an extremely high death rate for soldiers involved in the fighting. Even 2.5% for healthcare workers is ridiculously high. Hamas based their operations where conventional rules of war prohibit fire. That makes comparing casualty rates incredibly difficult. (To my knowledge, nobody else has done this so comprehensively. Though given its success, I expect it to be emulated. Which unfortunately…
This is unfounded. I'm still waiting on a single shred of evidence to drop about the AP building from 2-3 years ago https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israe... > Which unfortunately means prohibitions on bombing hospitals, schools and places of worship are now obsolete. Even if Hamas was fighting from hospitals and schools that is not how this works. Israel would be required to give those schools…
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Suppose I am a country at war with the United States. Do I have the right to kill every American journalist? Also, it is not clear what "working in Hamas" means since they formed the government of the Gaza strip, so people "working in Hamas" would include all public officials, civil servants, etc. Does Israel have the right to kill all the sanitation workers of the Gaza strip since they also "work in Hamas"?
The rules of war are completely out the door when one side routinely pretends to be civilian, which is a war crime. Which is not to say it’s just to go committing whichever crimes you want, but discussing legal rights is largely pointless because it is immediately a lawless war.
> when one side routinely pretends to be civilian
Israel actively promotes illegal, violent settlements that kill Palestinians under IDF protection. [1] / [2]
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Israel has on a number of occasions provoked border disputes and then claimed that IDF soldiers killed in those disputes were civilians.
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> On that very day, however, a high-level decision was taken by the IDF to send a patrol of soldiers dressed up as policemen to al-Hamma at the farthest end of the southern DMZ. The patrol was intended to show the flag in an area that was under complete Syrian domination. The Syrian army responded violently, by shooting and killing seven members of the patrol and hampering the evacuation of the rest.
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> The cabinet met on 5 April and, in the absence of the foreign minister, accepted the prime minister’s recommendations to destroy three Arab villages inside the DMZ, bomb from the air the Syrian post and police station in al-Hamma, boycott the MAC, and lodge a complaint with the UN Security Council on the murder of the seven “policemen.”
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> To achieve the first aim, Israel purchased land from the Arab villagers, developed Jewish settlements, established new agricultural settlements, built fortifications around them, and introduced soldiers disguised as civilians or policemen. To achieve the second aim, Israel seized an opportunity in March 1951 to move forcibly several hundred Bedouins who refused to accept Israeli identity cards from the central DMZ to Arab villages in northern Israel. In pursuit of the third aim, Israel refused to recognize the jurisdiction of the UN over civilian activities and even placed roadblocks to stop the UN men from entering the DMZs. Both Syria and the UN observers felt deceived and were disturbed by the direction of Israeli policy.
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> Dayan did not like the compromise with the UN and pressed for extending Israel’s control over the DMZ through the introduction of additional soldiers masquerading as farmers. Ben-Gurion was persuaded to ask the cabinet to authorize the construction of two new “civilian” settlements in the DMZ.
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Israel executed disabled noncombatants inside of a hospital while disguised as civilians. [3]
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[1] https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/third-intifada-israeli...
[2] Avi Shlaim, The Iron Wall
[3] https://www.reuters.com/world/this-is-moment-israeli-command...
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Another thing worth noting, some of the casualties mentioned in this site is of Palestinians journalists dying on October 7 and the following days, which only show how problematic their claims are. As the airstrikes didn't start yet in Gaza, these obviously died inside Israeli territory after they crossed a border, so they can film a massacre among other horrifying acts inflicted upon civilians such as rapes and muti…
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