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Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by infecto »

Solvency wrote: post #176
pxx wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's well-known the total environmental impact is much less for plastic than glass. Just the weight alone should allow you to understand this [0] [1] [2]. Glass is not recyclable widely. It is a contaminant in single-stream recycling because broken glass is a hazard for sorting, and even if you are able to recycle it, the transport costs are extremely high [3]. [0] https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20230427-glass-or…

I like how you completely ignored the environmental impact of microplastics and PFAS.

I don't think anyone is completely ignoring it. I think it is an extermely complicated equation. Factoring in PFAS and microplastics gets even more difficult. I don't have research in front of me but it would be interesting to look at regions like Japan that have very tight loops on plastics. How many microplastics get out in the wild. The other problem there is the microplastics from tires, huge issue since those could get in the drinking water eventually. Its a difficult problem.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by the_third_wave »

blueflow wrote: post #131

Sustainability talk being about ketchup caps while rich people fly to climate conferences in their yachts. Weird world.

It is rather baffling that there are no zillionaires flying airborne yachts yet, you'd have thought that one of 'm would have gotten others to build him a modern Graf Zeppelin or similar.

Apart from that, yes. Do they not realise that their hypocrisy makes their supposed engagement for the 'climate' and 'planet' null and void? Probably not or possibly they imagine they'll have enough money and power to force their ideology down the throats of the general population.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by notachatbot123 »

trallnag wrote: post #51
notachatbot123 wrote: post #35

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> What a mess. Nothing compared to https://www.google.com/search?q=landfill+plastic&tbm=isch

Plastic trash is supposed to be burned or recycled

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/incineration-burning-plas...

https://factor.niehs.nih.gov/2022/8/science-highlights/burni...

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by lifestyleguru »

blueflow wrote: post #152
abdusco wrote: post #140

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> fly to climate conferences in their yachts. Weird world. Yachts that fly. Weird world, indeed :)

Its a reference to this meme format: https://www.reddit.com/r/me_irl/comments/11ayxqc/me_irl/

It's missing a Porsche hanging below on ropes. Someone fix the meme.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by lifestyleguru »

pjc50 wrote: post #146
blueflow wrote: post #131

Sustainability talk being about ketchup caps while rich people fly to climate conferences in their yachts. Weird world.

"We can't do everything, therefore we should do nothing". This kind of thing is just content-free dismissal.

Given the budget, resources, and executive power I have - yup - nothing is exactly I can do.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by fedeb95 »

you know what could be sustainable? A bring-your-own bottle policy in stores. Deliver big dispensers to stores, and let people refill.

All the rest is a very marginal reduction unlikely to have an effect in the long run.

In a complex environment, where we can't make predictions, is better to be cautious.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by Scoundreller »

wil421 wrote: post #157
AlecSchueler wrote: post #87

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Plastic is essentially a byproduct of fuel production. My understand is that a lot of companies will pay others to take that plastic off their hands. Not only is it cheaper to use plastic than glass, it's positively subsidised.

A realtor friend found a lucrative side business in plastic recycling during the Great Recession. She still makes around $100k a year off of it. I wish I knew how it worked but her and her business partner don’t talk about it much. Probably for good reason. Pretty sure they take plastic off people hands and sell it to someone who uses it, paid to take it away and then paid again by a buyer.

Probably exporting it to someone that uses it as fuel, but not labelled/indicated for such use.

It’s basically crude oil when it comes to energy/kg.

Lots of shipping containers going back empty to lots of places.

Re: Heinz’s sustainable ketchup cap

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Post by speff »

kostko wrote: post #25
lp4vn wrote: post #4

Very nice. I live alone and often I'm baffled by the sheer amount of garbage that my urban lifestyle generates. I was not alive in the 80's but I was told that people used to use more environment-friendly packaging like glass bottles. Sometimes I wonder why this massive change to everything-should-be-packed-in-plastic happened.

Your lifestyle does not generate garbage. Companies that sell non recyclables and non compostsbles generate garbage. Why hasnt cocacola replaced their plastics with something compostable? There are new inventions for replacing plastics out each day, I wonder where those inventions end up.

If coca cola's your example, then I'm going to affirm that yes, it is the lifestyle that generates garbage. People don't _need_ soda. But they want it at a low price that's cheaper than Pepsi. You know what that means? Coke's going to be shipping in the cheapest container possible to keep the price edge - which is plastic.

If soda drinkers cared about plastic consumption, they would switch to anything that has glass containers and spend more - or just cut the habit due to the waste generated. But that's not happening.

Sure, there can be political will to force Coke to switch to something else - bypassing the need for the customer to do anything - but that would result in higher prices which makes people mad. Good luck asking a politician to do something that will upset their constituents

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