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Re: Home Screen Advantage

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They’re not Javascript apps though. They’re HTML with Javascript over HTTPS, rendered by a browser engine and… oh wait, that’s a website.

Yes, it's only an app if it's approved in the Cupertino region of California. Anything else is a sparkling website.

Not what I was referring to. PWAs are a specific combination of web technologies. They're not "JavaScript apps". They really are web apps, even when "installed".

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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The number of apologists and distractors in this comments section honestly makes me feel like it's been brigaded. I'm amazed, given how well informed this crowd typically is. As for the topic being discussed - Apple have gone out of their way for the last _decade_ to avoid implementing things like ServiceWorkers properly. I remember having this same conversation back in 2015. It is a real shame, as things like the pr…

I have yet to try an “installed” PWA on any device that actually worked correctly when I needed it most, so I will take a shitty electron or web view wrapper app over a PWA any day.

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It’s not that easy. I switched to iPhone mainly because of Android phone makers’ abysmal update policies. Heck, I had a Nexus 5 and it was “killed” merely 1.5 years after I bought it. Because newer Android required newer graphics drivers and Qualcomm said “no”. Supposedly things are better now, but are they really? My iPhone 7 was my daily driver for 5 years and was only retired because I got an offer that was too go…

Both Samsung and Google now offer 7 years of software support (security and features) on their latest phones, and Samsung is increasing that from 5 years. > And then there’s also the degrading storage on many Android phones Citation needed.

The performance degradation is just my experience from a Galaxy Nexus, a Galaxy Tab 2, a Nexus 5 and most of the older Android phones friends & family have/had. I don't remember from the earlier Android days.

It's entirely possible this is "fixed" nowadays, because flash/UFS technology has progressed and/or device makers are finally using slightly less crappy components.

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There's fortunately no need to use any apple products. The ones most hurt by this will probably be Apple. Especially if functionality breaks as stated here. It will mean the 'luxury phone brand' is now a broken phone brand at least in the EU. Apple users might switch and I think Samsung is most likely to get them.

Zero non-technical users actually care about PWA support.

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What makes you say that it's irrelevant unless it's a loss leader? When BMW is gatekeeping features behind subscriptions, is that also irrelevant because they're a car company? We shouldn't just stop discussing it.

You’ve just switched out the argument for a different one. I was saying that the difference between revenue and profit is irrelevant for the purpose of this argument. You’re now trying to draw an analogy with what I said and gatekeeping features behind subscriptions , which is not what I called irrelevant. The analogous situation is if you said BMW were no longer a car company for doing so, and I’d disagree with that…

> the difference between revenue and profit is irrelevant for the purpose of this argument

Why?

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You’ve just switched out the argument for a different one. I was saying that the difference between revenue and profit is irrelevant for the purpose of this argument. You’re now trying to draw an analogy with what I said and gatekeeping features behind subscriptions , which is not what I called irrelevant. The analogous situation is if you said BMW were no longer a car company for doing so, and I’d disagree with that…

> the difference between revenue and profit is irrelevant for the purpose of this argument Why?

Because you have been saying that Apple are no longer a hardware company. Apple bring in hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue from hardware, which quite clearly qualifies them as one of the most successful consumer hardware companies today. The only way revenue vs profit would be relevant to that is if you somehow thought that Apple had terrible margins on their hardware. Do you think that?

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> there certainly were no free cloud build servers for iOS since relatively recently. There definitely were. Bitrise had a free plan back in 2014 and they weren’t the only ones. https://web.archive.org/web/20141103031325/http://www.bitris... Are you an iOS developer? Because you are repeatedly taking what is considered run of the mill by iOS developers as if it were some outlandish concept you’ve never heard of befor…

You're either being utterly blinded, or dishonest. I'll stop engaging with you. For the record, however: NOBODY DEVELOPS iOS APPS BY ONLY BUILDING IN THE CLOUD. NEITHER PROFESSIONALS NOR HOBBYISTS. NOBODY ON EARTH. Every iOS developer has a mac, because it's impossible to develop when you can only build 200 times per month (per your link). Yes, professional developers run some CI in the cloud, nobody cares.

“it's impossible to develop when you can only build 200 times per month”

Seriously??? I am not a mobile developer, but that statement is totally bullshit.

I regularly code for 20-60min between running a build.

I highly doubt I get anywhere close to 200 builds a month on all of my hobby projects combined. Obviously work is a different story, but that’s what paid plans are for.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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I feel like something that gets brushed off on HN all the time is: Do people actually want PWAs? In my experience the answer is a resounding “NO”. Android supports PWAs but they aren’t taking the world by storm. My Android friends don’t use any that I’m aware of and if you ask them about it they just get a blank look on the faces. Heck, businesses don’t care about PWAs or websites even. I work in this space, I’ve wri…

Nope, every PWA I have used ended up loosing data. They are universally shit across all devices/os I have tried.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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You do not need root on android to install a .apk file. I see too many people thinking iOS and Android are on equal starting ground. Android out of the box is fairly close to jailbroken iOS. Very few things require root.

If we're getting technical you don't need to jailbreak to sideload on iOS either. AltStore automates the tedium but you can side load just fine on iOS too (for now).

You don't need to sideload on android. You just install it.

Re: Home Screen Advantage

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I feel like something that gets brushed off on HN all the time is: Do people actually want PWAs? In my experience the answer is a resounding “NO”. Android supports PWAs but they aren’t taking the world by storm. My Android friends don’t use any that I’m aware of and if you ask them about it they just get a blank look on the faces. Heck, businesses don’t care about PWAs or websites even. I work in this space, I’ve wri…

Do I want apps that install instantly from the page, can't reach into my photos or contacts, and that even I can develop for all platforms without learning OS-specific APIs? Yes. I use some already, though a lot of apps today are mobile-friendly versions of websites, so I just use the website (e.g. Twitter, YouTube, FreshRSS, ...)
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