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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by edgarvaldes »

emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

> Twitter is a conservative cesspool

Interesting. I see it as the de-facto journalist platform, which to me (as a non american) make it very left leaning. But then again, I don't use X.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by packetlost »

adra wrote: post #170
packetlost wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That study is based on user sentiment/survey, so I wouldn't really put any stock in to be completely honest. The only thing this study tells me is there was a change relative to some baseline, not that there was any sort of absolute lean.

There's no absolute lean at all it's all subjective, and sadly multidimensional which is hard for normal people to appreciate, so sure. Soooo.. Right and left are objective bars in the sand and my options are perfectly formed and happen to be exactly just on the correct side of all issues.

> There's no absolute lean at all it's all subjective, and sadly multidimensional which is hard for normal people to appreciate, so sure.

I guess "absolute" is the wrong word. Lean isn't really a measurable thing, which is sorta my point. The GP claimed that there was, my claim was that all we have are people's feelings, and people don't feel in absolute terms, they just notice when there's a change so the linked data on peoples feelings probably doesn't support the claim.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by mech422 »

yborg wrote: post #158
numpad0 wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And a lot of them failed for their technical shortcomings and many others from social aspects. IRC failed in technical side due to the failure in committee development model around IRCv3, Reddit succeeded by sole social factor despite being a carbon copy of Digg. To me, Bluesky vs Mastodon, and also Twitter vs Mastodon situations seems closer to the latter, even with controversial waitlist and the big turmoil, respec…

>used for 30+ years = failed I don't understand why so many technical people equate monopoly with success. I use IRC every day.

Me as well...

I actually like that IRC is less 'noisey' then most social media (I generally only hang on a few low volume channels) with no 'feed' being shoved at me, no algorithm deciding what I 'should' see. I bop into more popular channels as needed, but for general use, I find the self-directed nature of IRC to be the 'perfect social media' for me...eg I see only what I'm interested in.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by BeetleB »

The real question:

How many of the well know personalities will abandon Mastodon for this?

Mastodon has a surprising number of famous personalities. Many popular open source developers live there. Lots of well known people in math/science (Terry Tao, etc). Lots of authors (Greg Egan, Neil Gaiman, etc). Lots of open source orgs.

Will they be willing to move networks yet again? Twitter made them unhappy. Will Mastodon be so poor (and Bluesky more superior) to get them to move again?

Live and die by network effects.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by _3e1t »

lancelot-c wrote: post #138

Farcaster and Lens are much better alternatives than Bluesky. Not only you host your own data but you can choose your frontend and permissionlessly use the protocol backend. Web3 is the way to go for social media.

web3 = crypto = scams and weird scammy people. going to be hard to undo that association but good luck!

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Post by wahnfrieden »

BeetleB wrote: post #184

The real question: How many of the well know personalities will abandon Mastodon for this? Mastodon has a surprising number of famous personalities. Many popular open source developers live there. Lots of well known people in math/science (Terry Tao, etc). Lots of authors (Greg Egan, Neil Gaiman, etc). Lots of open source orgs . Will they be willing to move networks yet again? Twitter made them unhappy. Will Mastodon…

It depends which one 100x’s the other

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by vidarh »

bigstrat2003 wrote: post #88
emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

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That's funny given the number of people explicitly expressing support for fascism I've blocked on my Twitter account over the last week.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by [deleted] »

steveklabnik wrote: post #96
threeseed wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well hopefully they take it more seriously. Because based on them raising $8m in a seed round middle of last year they aren't going to have much time to decide and implement a strategy before they will need to start thinking about raising a Series A. Or maybe Jack does become a bigger investor. Either way I think it's insane to prematurely rule out advertising.

I don't think they're not taking it seriously. I also don't believe (and again, don't work there, just a huge fan, so maybe this is wrong) I'm not sure that the revenue was the reason for shipping this feature. It's best thought of as an accessibility feature, for folks who do not know what a "DNS record" is and have never hosted a domain. Without this, more technical users get something special that non-technical us…

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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by treyd »

unshavedyak wrote: post #54
mm263 wrote: post #4

I think they nailed every Mastodon criticism that I've heard floating around and addressed it, however I'm especially curious to learn about the moderation layer in-depth.

I'm kind of tired of social networks in general, but this is attractive to me just because of that. I like Mastodon, but the underlying ActivityPub protocol was rather underwhelming.

What's nice about the architecture most fedi software including Mastodon follow is that if a better protocol than ActivityPub comes along (like perhaps, Spritely) they can add support for it and concurrently federate with both protocols. Mastodon used to do this with OStatus.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by babypuncher »

hathawsh wrote: post #98
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That was the problem with Twitter/X. It appears that Elon's tweaking has caused the service to switch from left-leaning to right-leaning. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/05/01/after-mus...

Pretty hard right-leaning too. They regularly ban left-leaning journalists who are critical of Musk, while letting actual neo-Nazis roam free. They over-corrected to an extreme degree. I still can't believe they banned Alexei Navalny's wife after Putin murdered him. And I find it sickening that there are people here who defend that shit.
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