What is going on in Argentina? • Hacker News Board

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by alchemist1e9 » Sun, Feb 25, 2024, 3:52 AM UTC

notahacker wrote: post #171

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monopolies are legitimately debatable topic for government intervention. However what is the reason governments should be involved in imperfect information or transaction costs? Please provide specific market failures. Additionally creationists is the perfect analogy for collectivists, socialist and marxists, their ideas require magic fairy dust to have any chance of working.

Government isn't involved in imperfect information or transaction costs: responsibility for those failures of the market delivering suboptimal results lie entirely with the market participants. Obvious examples include the highly profitable sale of products that avoid the R&D overhead and additional manufacturing expense to actually do what they claim to do, and the inability of various disparate individuals each rec…

It’s always so confusing when anti-markets debaters bring up pollution and product safety, because it’s like the only thing libertarians actually agree with them on. We absolutely believe the primary role of the government is to protect shared rights like the environment and health of products sold. What libertarian capitalist don’t want is redistribution and confiscation.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by kragen » Mon, Feb 26, 2024, 2:52 AM UTC

4gotunameagain wrote: post #177

kragen wrote: post #173

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there's no such thing as a 'git instance'

haha sure. so when you git clone something, it arrives to you through divination, and there is no larger attack vector once you can meddle with the entire communication part and not just the blobs and refs.

in this case it arrives to you through apache, which gives git the contents of the files it requests, just like the filesystem does when you clone a repo off a usb pendrive. there's no git-specific code running on the server when you clone that url

there is, however, a faster 'smart http' git cloning protocol which apache can't participate in, and that is indeed a potential attack surface. i don't think any of the bugs i linked upthread were in that protocol though

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by nmeofthestate » Mon, Feb 26, 2024, 1:10 PM UTC

kragen wrote: post #114

nmeofthestate wrote: post #81

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I'm not going to clone a git repo to read a file, but I did waste some time clicking around your site trying to find this file that you mentioned, to no avail. Just FYI.

yeah, as far as i know, it's only available by git cloning. it doesn't benefit me if you read it, just you, so it's fine with me if you don't read it. i'm only mentioning it for the sake of the people who would find it interesting i mean, in theory, you could do this in Python >>> print(zlib.decompress(urlopen( 'http://canonical.org/~kragen/sw/pavnotes2.git/objects/03/220089fdc6713fc459ac71da35d6c8abb5b110' ).read())…

OK - I wont bother. Just letting you know, as you were downvoted a bunch when I commented.

Re: What is going on in Argentina?

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Post by notahacker » Tue, Feb 27, 2024, 10:19 PM UTC

alchemist1e9 wrote: post #181

notahacker wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Government isn't involved in imperfect information or transaction costs: responsibility for those failures of the market delivering suboptimal results lie entirely with the market participants. Obvious examples include the highly profitable sale of products that avoid the R&D overhead and additional manufacturing expense to actually do what they claim to do, and the inability of various disparate individuals each rec…

It’s always so confusing when anti-markets debaters bring up pollution and product safety, because it’s like the only thing libertarians actually agree with them on. We absolutely believe the primary role of the government is to protect shared rights like the environment and health of products sold. What libertarian capitalist don’t want is redistribution and confiscation.

It's even more confusing when libertarians decide a few days after insisting that there was no such thing as a market failure that the canonical examples of market failures are actually something they strongly believe the government must step in to regulate because the market can't do it...

(I imagine the libertarians campaigning to abolish government involvement in product and environmental regulation would also be confused by the insistence they absolutely believe that the role of the government is to protect the environment and regulate products. Next minute you'll be telling me poor people deserve medical treatment!)