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Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by piva00 »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #136
everydaypanos wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By Safari, I meant the engine, not the app. Are there any people who actually prefer no PWAs at all over Safari-engine PWAs?

Safari is the browser, Webkit is the engine. Personally I don’t care about PWAs at alls. If you want an app, build an actual app.

> Personally I don’t care about PWAs at alls. If you want an app, build an actual app.

Are you going to foot the bill for the development cost of building an actual app for a team that doesn't have iOS software dev expertise?

Thought so...

Re: Rotten Apple

#182

Post by Keyframe »

ubermonkey wrote: post #148
Keyframe wrote: post #43

I have an ipad through which I subscribed for Apple arcade. I don't use it / play at all on it and there was recently an email that price is going up. Sure, I'll just cancel subscription I said. I don't have my ipad on me, nor any other apple device (I don't use them anymore), nor windows. I have linux machines and android phone. Ok, so how do I cancel subscription? icloud login? no. subscription place of sorts? it w…

A feature of the Apple platform is aggregation of control, but they put the control within iOS. This is awesome. I don't have to chase down fifty-eleven other sites to manage the things I subscribed to on my phone or iPad, including the services I buy from Apple itself. It's an extremely consumer-friendly aspect of the platform, and one I would miss very much if I switched to something else. But yes, to use this feat…

I'm not sure if Apple pays your sandwiches or what, but it's not hard to imagine a reasonable expectation one could login to an apple-owned web platform to manage their subscription. Not third-party. Apple one. Especially after considering two facts; One - they have that platform via iCloud where you can manage billing and subscription, but apparently not for everything and second which is more important - I got alerted to this after receiving an email from Apple titled "Your Subscription Price Increase" and within that email there was this: "To learn more or cancel, review your subscription." of which latter part is a link which when clicked opens up a page saying you need itunes. itunes which I cannot install on my phone nor computer. No other info. I had to dig and dig through google to find that I could probably call someone at Apple to cancel. If that's not shady, it's at least sloppy.

Re: Rotten Apple

#183

Post by blantonl »

worksonmine wrote: post #179
blantonl wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

cancel culture bullshit. You're a parody of an Apple user. I guess that's what decades of being patronized and gaslit by a company does to someone. How on earth did you draw these two conclusions? I'm simply asking people to not call me an "ass" and a "dickface" in a professional setting and all the sudden I'm some cheerleading Apple user who was gaslit and patronized by a company? Some of you are some angry misguide…

First of all, this is not a professional setting, it's a comment section to an article. Second, you reduce someones completely valid need of being able to cancel a subscription to a condescending straw-man: > supporting your 0.001% edge case of you wanting to run iMovie on your Sun Workstation running Solaris Since you see this place as a professional setting, is that how you handle colleagues? With unnecessary and p…

Where do I apply if I want the opportunity to tell you to go fuck yourself to your face?

You can contact me through my profile. You won't though, because even though Sweden is a large country, you wouldn't dare say that to my face regardless. I know you wouldn't.

Re: Rotten Apple

#184

Post by Aaargh20318 »

piva00 wrote: post #181
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari is the browser, Webkit is the engine. Personally I don’t care about PWAs at alls. If you want an app, build an actual app.

> Personally I don’t care about PWAs at alls. If you want an app, build an actual app. Are you going to foot the bill for the development cost of building an actual app for a team that doesn't have iOS software dev expertise? Thought so...

Then don’t offer an app. PWAs are worse than not having an app.

Re: Rotten Apple

#185

Post by worksonmine »

blantonl wrote: post #183
worksonmine wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First of all, this is not a professional setting, it's a comment section to an article. Second, you reduce someones completely valid need of being able to cancel a subscription to a condescending straw-man: > supporting your 0.001% edge case of you wanting to run iMovie on your Sun Workstation running Solaris Since you see this place as a professional setting, is that how you handle colleagues? With unnecessary and p…

Where do I apply if I want the opportunity to tell you to go fuck yourself to your face? You can contact me through my profile. You won't though, because even though Sweden is a large country, you wouldn't dare say that to my face regardless. I know you wouldn't.

How come? Are you a tough guy who resorts to your fists when your fragile ego gets questioned?

Imagine sitting there doxxing people over this bullshit. This needs an XKCD, "call the FBI, someone on the internet called me an ass".

I'm sure you have 15 e-mails drafted already "Hey, are you aware that your employee has opinions online? It's not a good look for your company and you should do something about that."

Get a grip on yourself man.

Re: Rotten Apple

#186

Post by bjornsing »

pretext-1 wrote: post #41
bjornsing wrote: post #22

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I think a more problematic assumption is that iOS and MacOS users are equally aware and knowledgeable about potential security threats. It’s true that the sky hasn’t fallen because MacOS users are exposed to these risks. But they are not new risks on MacOS. They will be on iOS.

Maybe people on this site are aware but I can assure you average Joe has no clue.

Exactly. And average Joe has grown accustomed to not needing a clue.

Re: Rotten Apple

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Post by robenkleene »

addicted wrote: post #137
xbar wrote: post #86

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That's a terrible argument. The MacOS security model has not suffered as Apple asserts.

For the sake of argument lets take as given that the Mac was unacceptably insecure (John Hodgman smirks at Justin Long “I knew it!”) until the iOS security model was applied. It’s also not clear that the EU requires the PWA engine to also be replaceable but I’m personally in favor of that so we’ll stipulate that’s the case as well. The term “security model” is doing all the work here. The EU has no requirement for th…

> The argument that Apple’s security model is the only one that can provide security is not sufficient. Those making this argument need to also prove that the browser engine can only be secure when made by Apple.

I don't think they're making the argument that this is the only one that would work, but that's a silly statement to even debate. Just coming up with a hypothetically security model that might work, is a huge difference from forcing a company to implement it. They're arguing against the second one, the idea that they should be forced to do this, by way of stating the current system works. That doesn't require address hypothetical other systems. I also don't think such verification of hypothetical systems is even possible. We have trouble enough understanding the security of existing systems.

Re: Rotten Apple

#188

Post by blantonl »

worksonmine wrote: post #185
blantonl wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where do I apply if I want the opportunity to tell you to go fuck yourself to your face? You can contact me through my profile. You won't though, because even though Sweden is a large country, you wouldn't dare say that to my face regardless. I know you wouldn't.

How come? Are you a tough guy who resorts to your fists when your fragile ego gets questioned? Imagine sitting there doxxing people over this bullshit. This needs an XKCD, "call the FBI, someone on the internet called me an ass". I'm sure you have 15 e-mails drafted already "Hey, are you aware that your employee has opinions online? It's not a good look for your company and you should do something about that." Get a…

Oh look the consequences of my actions.

Good lord. I was just hoping you’d contact me so we could continue this discussion offline HN. I don’t think I’ve ever swung a fist at everyone, but that’s what I thought. You won’t contact me. Stay salty, and have a good day bro…

edit: you’ve crossed the line from having an opinion to being an unprofessional jerk. I’m not anonymous, you are. I triple dog dare you to personally back up your comments, otherwise you are a coward and afraid of your own shadow, much less confident in your opinions. Like I said before, you would never make these comments to me face to face where I knew who you were and there were consequences for your actions lurking around the corner. But I’m willing to be surprised.

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edit2 per the below:

What would that even achieve? I don't feel the need to prove anything to someone on the internet.

LOL. Ok dude. That's why you're 8 deep into the comments. Stay anonymous and salty my friend.

Discussions don't scare me. What would these consequences even be?

Reach out to me. See, you can't. You won't. You can huff and puff and beat on your chest proclaiming that you're "knocking down to earth" and all this sanctimonious bullshit but deep down inside you know that you would never act like this in public if people knew who you were. your bluff has been called, you've been given the opportunity to be a real person, but you simply can't do it. The reason is because you are a coward, and you know there will be consequences for acting like a tool in public. Otherwise you'd "own it" like you did when you were a big boy and you walked down to HR to show them what's up.

You can look at my profile, you know exactly who I am. Who are you? You're a cute little freelancer who hides behind the keyboard knowing that regardless of what you do, there are consequences for the way that you address people in public unprofessionally. I stand by all my comments, because my name is right on them. You can't stand by your comments because you are - nobody.

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Addendum: One thing that's really cool here is you can see @worksonmine agree with me that there are consequences for popping your mouth off in public, as he progresses through his arguments. It is a good sign of progress, he'll watch himself a little closer on a professional forum and he definitely won't reveal who he is professionally when he decides to stray off into not acting like a professional. Who would have thought being unprofessional would be a hinderance to someone? he knows it. I know it. everyone knows it.

Re: Rotten Apple

#189

Post by ubermonkey »

Keyframe wrote: post #182
ubermonkey wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A feature of the Apple platform is aggregation of control, but they put the control within iOS. This is awesome. I don't have to chase down fifty-eleven other sites to manage the things I subscribed to on my phone or iPad, including the services I buy from Apple itself. It's an extremely consumer-friendly aspect of the platform, and one I would miss very much if I switched to something else. But yes, to use this feat…

I'm not sure if Apple pays your sandwiches or what, but it's not hard to imagine a reasonable expectation one could login to an apple-owned web platform to manage their subscription. Not third-party. Apple one. Especially after considering two facts; One - they have that platform via iCloud where you can manage billing and subscription, but apparently not for everything and second which is more important - I got aler…

Yes, of course, any defense of Apple must be due to remuneration. LOL.

It's an oversight, I suppose, but a defensible one. Putting management for subscriptions in the AppleID management area of Settings on Apple devices is an entirely reasonable thing to do. For one thing, it means you don't have to futz with a login to get to it.

I'd never use a web login for this. I'm sure most Apple users feel the same. And you have to have an Apple device to consume the subscription the OP is talking about, so ... yeah, seems like a chintzy thing to whine about.

Which was my original point: it's HN, so there must be Apple-bashing. QED.

Re: Rotten Apple

#190

Post by smoldesu »

bjornsing wrote: post #186
pretext-1 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe people on this site are aware but I can assure you average Joe has no clue.

Exactly. And average Joe has grown accustomed to not needing a clue.

It hasn't protected Average Joe anyways. There is malware being actively distributed, today, that uses nothing other than first-party Apple services to attain persistence.

Average Joe has to grow up. Scam websites and scam callers aren't going away, and even scam apps are being approved and distributed on Apple's App Store. On iOS, you have to do your due diligence to avoid being exploited (and even that might not help against some threats).

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