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Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by mratsim »

skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

> GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit.

If ChatGPT doesn't have product-market fit, what actually has?

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by sjwhevvvvvsj »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #146
sjwhevvvvvsj wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Mistral has though is speed, and with speed comes scale.

Who cares about speed if you’re wrong? This isn’t a race to write the most lines of code or the most lines of text. It’s a race to write the most correct lines of code. I’ll wait half an hour for a response if I know I’m getting at least staff engineer level tier of code for every question

Who says it’s wrong? I have very discrete tasks which involve resolving linguistic ambiguity and they can perform very well.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by danielscrubs »

skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

Googlers are wishing OpenAI could vanish as it makes them look like the IBM-lookalike they are.

Here are some hilarious highlights: https://twitter.com/Suhail/status/1757573182138290284

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

samgtx wrote: post #160
solardev wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish more of us would run for Congress. I'd much rather have a government of technocrats of various stripes than ex lawyers and rich business types. IMO governments, like websites, should be boring but effective, focused on small day to day improvements, not all flash and empty marketing chasing cultural trends...

This is like saying more lawyers should be writing software. Lawyers have extensive education and experience in the law and so work with..the law.

I don't discount the value of having expertise in law among those who write our laws. That said, I think that lawyers have their own significant blind spots as well. A lawyer is an expert on the law, but also will often be out of touch with the actual lives and needs of the people. Ideally, Congress should have lawyers - but also plenty of non lawyers (from diverse backgrounds), who can bring their own experiences and perspectives that lawyers lack.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by remus »

skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

> Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast.

I don't think it's hugely surprising given the massive hype. No doubt OpenAI are doing impressive things, but it's normal for the market to over value it initially as everyone tries to get onboard, and then for it to fall back to a more sensible level.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by _giorgio_ »

paganel wrote: post #179
_giorgio_ wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's incredibly impolite and totally without foundation. You make him look like a peasant :-) What do you know about his work? He's been leading the vision team at Tesla, implementing in the field all the papers that were available in the subject of autonomous driving and vision (he explicitly wrote that). He has not published about it surely due to obligations with Tesla.

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LOL, that's quite the critique.

Autonomous driving, especially in all weather and road conditions, presents challenges that are almost insurmountable, with complexities akin to those of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI). Good luck tackling that.

The main issue lies in Tesla's decision to rely solely on vision-based systems, despite engineers advocating for the inclusion of LIDAR technology as well (which, to my knowledge, is only incorporated in one Tesla model). This decision was made by Elon Musk.

Your words seem to convey a sense of bitterness and resentment.

I'm not losing time discussing "peasant vs AI" because you're a person with a very limited "vision".

LOL again.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by phreeza »

al_borland wrote: post #156
skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

I know things keep moving faster and faster, especially in this space, but GPT-4 is less than a year old. Claiming they are losing their luster, because they aren’t shaking the earth with new models every quarter, seems a little ridiculous. As the popularity has exploded, and ethical questions have become increasingly relevant, it is probably worth taking some time to nail certain aspects down before releasing everyt…

Given how fast the valuation of the company and the scope of their ambition (e.g. raising a trillion dollars for chip manufacturing) has been hyped up, I think it's fair to say "You live by the hype, you die by the hype."

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by mad_tortoise »

sho wrote: post #120
skepticATX wrote: post #18

Frankly, OpenAI seems to be losing its luster, and fast. Plugins were a failure. GPTs are a little better, but I still don't see the product market fit. GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more. It's not even clear that they're doing great research, because they don't publish. GPT-5 has to be incredibly good at this point, and I'm not sure that it will be.

> GPT-4 is still king, but not by that much any more Idk, I just tried Gemini Ultra and it's so much worse than GPT4 that I am actually quite shocked. Trying to ask it any kind of coding question ends up being this frustrating and honestly bizarre waste of time as it hallucinates a whole new language syntax every time and then asks if you want to continue with non-working, in fact non-existing, option A or the equall…

That's interesting, because I have had exactly the opposite experience testing GPT vs Bard with coding questions. Bard/Gemini far outperformed GPT on coding, especially with newer languages or libraries. Whereas GPT was better with more general questions.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by ein0p »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #146
sjwhevvvvvsj wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Mistral has though is speed, and with speed comes scale.

Who cares about speed if you’re wrong? This isn’t a race to write the most lines of code or the most lines of text. It’s a race to write the most correct lines of code. I’ll wait half an hour for a response if I know I’m getting at least staff engineer level tier of code for every question

That’s the correct answer. Years ago I worked on inference efficiency on edge hardware at a startup. Time after time I saw that users vastly prefer slower, but more accurate and robust systems. Put succinctly: nobody cares how quick a model is if it doesn’t do a good job. Another thing I discovered is it can be very difficult to convince software engineers of this obvious fact.

Re: Hi everyone yes, I left OpenAI yesterday

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Post by _giorgio_ »

throwtroawat wrote: post #17

Karpathy is a great instructor, but has he has any meaningful impact in industry? It seems from the outside like he locked Tesla into a losing, NN-only direction for autonomous driving. (I don’t know what he did at openai.)

Elon Musk didn't want LIDAR because:

- it costs too much

- it's ugly

- humans have only vision

TESLA Engineers wanted LIDAR badly, but they have been allowed to use it only on one model.

I think that autonomous driving in all conditions is mostly impossible. It will be widely available in very controlled and predictable conditions (highways, small and perfectly mapped cities etc).

And about Mercedes vs Tesla capabilities, it's mostly marketing... If you're interested I'll find an article that talked about that.

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