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Permutation City (1994)

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Re: Permutation City (1994)

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My book review from last September: > Reads like a “consciousness and computers are cool” story written by an engineer. A few incredible ideas padded by weak storytelling and philosophical exposition. Probably would’ve been better as a short story. [0] https://taylor.town/books#permutation-city If you like this book, I recommend Accelerando , Piranesi , Dick's Ubik , and Ted Chiang's collections.

> If you like this book, I recommend Accelerando, Piranesi, Dick's Ubik, and Ted Chiang's collections. Thanks for the recommendations. I read and liked most of the books in your list, so I'll likely also appreciate the ones I haven't. EDIT: I would also recommend Watts' Blindsight.

Blindsight is such an underrated gem.

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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My book review from last September: > Reads like a “consciousness and computers are cool” story written by an engineer. A few incredible ideas padded by weak storytelling and philosophical exposition. Probably would’ve been better as a short story. [0] https://taylor.town/books#permutation-city If you like this book, I recommend Accelerando , Piranesi , Dick's Ubik , and Ted Chiang's collections.

Why Piranesi? Seems more straight up fantasy.

Piranesi is fantasy the way Kafka is fantasy. Which is to say, kinda, if you squint. But mostly it’s allegorical.

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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My book review from last September: > Reads like a “consciousness and computers are cool” story written by an engineer. A few incredible ideas padded by weak storytelling and philosophical exposition. Probably would’ve been better as a short story. [0] https://taylor.town/books#permutation-city If you like this book, I recommend Accelerando , Piranesi , Dick's Ubik , and Ted Chiang's collections.

No one reads Greg Egan for the character building or any of that other literary bullshit. This is the novel that introduces the idea that a simulation universe need not have another universe simulating it. Hell, it's the only novel that has that idea. There is more insight here than we could extract from a thousand other authors, philosophers, and thinkers. But who cares, the characters were sort of cardboard and he…

By more insight do you mean pure speculation? I could say Liu Cixin has more insight than a thousand other minds with his Dark Forest and dimensionality, but again it's all speculative fiction.

Also, some people actually like well-written characters. I know it sounds strange.

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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It’s not an easy read, but Blindsight by Peter Watts has some equally unique and compelling synthesis of scientific concepts into a big concept plot.

Semi related: If you like The Thing (1982), Watts' The Things is pretty great: https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/

Brilliant fan fiction that takes a few liberties, but it would be interesting to have The Thing's perspective if The Thing was made into a series. I think in the movies was just supposed to be cosmic horror who's only real goal was to survive by spreading. Communicating with it would be pointless, unlike in Watt's story, where you have a fundamental philosophical difference based on The Thing's understanding of biology, but you could at least have a meaningful conversation with it.

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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I got a copy of the Antimemetics division too after a read through on SCP wiki. Well worth getting a physical copy to support the author. qntm is becoming one of my favorite authors as well.

IIRC I bought it on Kindle for similar reasons.

Just curious if it repeatedly crashed your Kindle? My Kindle (Oasis 2nd gen) was very unhappy with the "redacted" black bars. When a page was full of them, the Kindle just gave up.

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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Make sure to read Ra as well. One of my favorite webfics. https://qntm.org/ra

I just read the Antimemetics division and qntm's short story collection. I loved the short stories and first ~40-60% of the Antimemetics Division and felt it then got too crazy and abstract. The "magic is real" thing has new worried as I usually avoid fantasy. Do you think I'll still like Ra?

It’s as far away from fantasy as magic can probably be. I think you might like it!

In some ways, it’s even less fantastical than antimemetics, think magic as a sub-branch of advanced physics and in no way mystical.

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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I would really like to see writers sell their work DRM free on their pages, or have an open and responsible platform that writers could use for that. I know it is a hassle to process anything finance-related, but in my region on amazon the book is unavailable and a hard copy isn't an option for me. It is virtually impossible for me to give money to the author for an e-reader version of the book.

I agree with your wish for more DRM-free options. I don't know why a hard copy isn't an option for you. If it's just because you lack the space, then one option would be to order the physical book. Give it away. And download a copy of the book from LibGen. Author gets their money and you get a usable copy of the book.

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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Pretty awesome book. Would be cool if someone could recommend sci-fi that equally good.

Let me share several books that brought me a similar level of awe, due to the scope and creativity of the world-building: 1. Accelerando by Charles Stross - for THE Scope. 2. Quantum Thief by Hanny Rajaniemi - for the similarly high entry threshold and rewarding experience when you cross it. 3. Revelation Space by Alastair Reynolds - for a fascinating vision of future human societies. I'd be happy to find more books…

I read and enjoyed these quite a bit, so let me add a few more to the list.

- “The Fall Revolution” tetralogy by Ken MacLeod: “The Star Fraction”, “The Stone Canal”, “The Cassini Division”, and “The Sky Road”

- “Void Star” by Zachary Mason

- “Singularity Sky” by Charles Stross

- “The Freeze-Frame Revolution” by Peter Watts

- “Perfekcyjna niedoskonałość” by Jacek Dukaj

- “A Fire Upon the Deep” and “A Deepness in the Sky” by Vernor Vinge

- “The Golden Oecumene” trilogy by John C. Wright: “The Golden Age”, “The Phoenix Exultant”, and “The Golden Transcendence”

- “Gnomon” by Nick Harkaway

- the Culture novels by Iain M. Banks

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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Egan is the only great Australian science fiction writer I’m aware of. I principally recommend Diaspora for far future post-human history with a strong focus on physics and maths, and Quarantine which is a sort of heist thriller with a unique quantum physics hook in a relatively near future Northern Australia setting where First Nations people have gained independence and positioned themselves as an Asian financial /…

Diaspora is my favorite Egan book. Permutation City seems to get talked about more, but the dust theory stuff just felt implausible, and it has one of the worst sex scenes I've ever read. Maybe it's because Diaspora is less concerned with anything as abstract as consciousness and more interested in how different forms of life play out, which I find fun when it's done well.

The sex in that sex scene is supposed to be cringingly bad. Supposed to be uncomfortable to read. Did you think it was poorly done, or was it just too uncomfortable-on-purpose?

Re: Permutation City (1994)

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People have already mentioned qntm, but I’ll put another plug in for “Valuable Humans in Transit” https://qntm.org/vhitaos Sol Quy with monthly short stories: https://solquy.substack.com/p/111123-the-gunslinger Adrian Tchaikovsky’s “Children of Time” series is fantastic. Vernor Vinge can be a bit variable, but I would start with “A Fire Upon the Deep”

Children of Time is great. Children of Ruin was a lot of fun, but I was convinced by friends Children of Memory wasn't worth it.

Children of Memory is my favourite in the series! If you liked the first two (#1 was significantly better imo), you should 100% go for the third
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