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Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by linkjuice4all »

patrickaljord wrote: post #171
ecshafer wrote: post #23

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Also, jQuery is awesome. People have been in love with the overly complex and fancy javascript frameworks for the last 15 years or so. But jQuery doing dynamic binding to dynamically generated forms for some error states and maybe an ajax calls is literally all the javascript you need in 99% of web pages and the rest is overkill. The industry is going to move away from the complexities to React and towards more of th…

jQuery is amazing, still remember the joy of using it 20 years ago. That being said, React, Vue and similar are just better IMO to build and maintain complex apps. Don't get me wrong, jQuery was the best thing at its time and I will always be grateful to its contributors, but today there are better alternatives. I think htmx is nice but not seeing it taking over other frameworks.

Definitely agree that the modern frameworks are better for complex stuff. Ideally there’s not really a middle ground - you’re either doing complex interactive “app-like” stuff with a framework or adding modest dynamic features to otherwise static content (e.g. static export of WordPress with some jQuery for your forms).

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by falsandtru »

rolisz wrote: post #178
falsandtru wrote: post #165

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jQuery remains the best JSONP library. It can get data even when other libraries are blocked.

If I understand this announcement correctly, they removed support for JSONP

Just removed "Automatic" JSONP "promotion". JSONP is still available.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by austin-cheney »

QuadrupleA wrote: post #107
DrSiemer wrote: post #86

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A few years ago I dropped jQuery for plain vanilla js and I've never looked back. Native js has everything jQuery has, except for the pile of often poorly maintained half baked "plugins", that usually only do what they want to do and not much else. Yes, the vanilla selectors are more verbose, but any half decent code editor will make them just as fast to type. I don't mean to be penantic, but I don't really understan…

Look at your own link - the "modern" way of doing it is always about 2-3x as verbose as jQuery. Editors let you type that mess faster, but you'll still have to read through it, maintain it, scroll it into view in your editor, see less of it onscreen at a time, etc. I'll take a clean, succinct API over a noisy verbose cumbersome one any day. And what are we saving by eschewing it and going vanilla? One little 30kb-gzi…

That is not correct at all. The DOM API is entirely functional based upon traversal of a lexically scoped model. It may not be as declarative as you like but lying about what it is because it makes you feel uncomfortable is rather ignorant.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by austin-cheney »

erhaetherth wrote: post #111
genocidicbunny wrote: post #65

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I don't think it's that surprising given the demographics of HN posters that I've observed. Many will immediately reach for the big JS framework du jour when they need anything more than a little DOM selection stuff, because that's what they've always done.

There's 2 types of web pages. Websites and web apps. If you're building a web app, you're going to want a framework that isn't going to fall apart the second things start getting complicated. If you're making a little marketing website, sure, sprinkle some jQuery on there and call it a day. Probably better for performance and SEO unless you want to spend 10x as long micro-optimizing your SSR. Point is, there's differ…

It’s all the same. The difference is not in the product but in the developer’s perception of the product. The code and the user don’t notice the difference, just the developer in the middle. There are those who can dynamically put text on screen and those who need just a little help to dynamically put text on screen.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by kkarpkkarp »

nextaccountic wrote: post #79
tipiirai wrote: post #48

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Second to that: jQuery is awesome. Or more specifically: the idea that websites can be built with vanilla HTML, CSS, and _optional_ JS. jQuery embraces progressive enhancement and separation of concerns pattern, which is quite the opposite of how websites are built these days. Web development starts with 10+ React import statements for components, CSS, images, and whatnot. JavaScript is a must, not optional.

About optional JS: you can have that with server-side rendering plus a modern framework (like next.js or leptos). That's certainly not as simple as vanilla html and js, but totally doable.

> you can have that with server-side rendering plus

yes, we use PHP for this which is much simpler to grasp than JS-SSR

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by austin-cheney »

dylan604 wrote: post #8
voidwtf wrote: post #2

In a world where many of us are actively trying to remove the last vestiges of jQuery, who is actively developing using jQuery? Genuinely curious. I’ve found that most of what I went to jQuery before is baked in now. querySelectorAll being the most powerful.

Because I'm old and new tricks are less interesting, I find $.ajax() much more simple than promise, await, async of native JS. I have used straight native JS on a couple of smaller personal projects just to get some familiarity with it. However, it's just muscle memory type of getting stuff done with $.ajax() for me. Also, maybe 20 people use any of the code I write for manipulating DOM. I'm not a UI person. I'm a ba…

WebSockets are easier and faster.

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by troupo »

erhaetherth wrote: post #104
ecshafer wrote: post #23

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Also, jQuery is awesome. People have been in love with the overly complex and fancy javascript frameworks for the last 15 years or so. But jQuery doing dynamic binding to dynamically generated forms for some error states and maybe an ajax calls is literally all the javascript you need in 99% of web pages and the rest is overkill. The industry is going to move away from the complexities to React and towards more of th…

If you don't want to use a big framework, then you needn't use any library at all. Nearly everything in jQuery is 1 line of modern JS, no?

Nearly everything in jQuery is more concise, consistent and composable compared to modern JS APIs. As this site clearly shows: https://youmightnotneedjquery.com/

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by rastographics »

tambourine_man wrote: post #163
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #151

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It's a buggy insecure mess. No one should be advocating for wordpress.

I’d like to know the name of this alternative that’s as feature-rich and yet bullet-proof while still being open source

it's called processwire and once I found it I never looked back

Re: jQuery v4.0 Beta

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Post by midasuni »

tipiirai wrote: post #48
ecshafer wrote: post #23

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Also, jQuery is awesome. People have been in love with the overly complex and fancy javascript frameworks for the last 15 years or so. But jQuery doing dynamic binding to dynamically generated forms for some error states and maybe an ajax calls is literally all the javascript you need in 99% of web pages and the rest is overkill. The industry is going to move away from the complexities to React and towards more of th…

Second to that: jQuery is awesome. Or more specifically: the idea that websites can be built with vanilla HTML, CSS, and _optional_ JS. jQuery embraces progressive enhancement and separation of concerns pattern, which is quite the opposite of how websites are built these days. Web development starts with 10+ React import statements for components, CSS, images, and whatnot. JavaScript is a must, not optional.

Yesterday I wrote a custom page which dumped out a table for some investigation. I threw jquery and a tablesorter plug-in. Without JS you get the table, but with you can easily sort and filter. Took about 2 minutes to add the optional filter. The backend is bash of course.
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