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Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by pquki4 »

snakeyjake wrote: post #134
wnevets wrote: post #26

This is starting to me remind of when everyone was talking about replacing their Desktop/Laptop with an iPad and a Bluetooth keyboard for their work machine. I don't know anyone who was able to do so successfully.

Unless your definition of "work" is limited to "programming locally" there are millions of people who have replaced their laptop with an iPad. There are millions more who use it as a content creation tool, despite HN users' insistence of that impossibility. One of my favorite youtubers (1M subscribers) produces his video content on and runs his channel from an iPad.

Source?

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by pquki4 »

cpuguy83 wrote: post #89
wnevets wrote: post #26

This is starting to me remind of when everyone was talking about replacing their Desktop/Laptop with an iPad and a Bluetooth keyboard for their work machine. I don't know anyone who was able to do so successfully.

The experience really isn't that bad on iPad, except the apps you end up needing to use are kind of lacking... which of course does make it not wonderful. I did this for a couple of weeks with an 11 inch pro while my laptop was being repaired (blasted keyboard... then they broke the mainboard while replacing it). The 11inch is a little small and it made some things difficult, but not how you might think. The main thi…

That's a big "except" you are talking.

If I can do almost everything except this in app A, and everything except that in app B, which happen to be important workflows, why should I torture myself with an iPad instead of a proper Mac/PC or even Chromebook?

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by pquki4 »

snakeyjake wrote: post #134
wnevets wrote: post #26

This is starting to me remind of when everyone was talking about replacing their Desktop/Laptop with an iPad and a Bluetooth keyboard for their work machine. I don't know anyone who was able to do so successfully.

Unless your definition of "work" is limited to "programming locally" there are millions of people who have replaced their laptop with an iPad. There are millions more who use it as a content creation tool, despite HN users' insistence of that impossibility. One of my favorite youtubers (1M subscribers) produces his video content on and runs his channel from an iPad.

I have an iPad Pro 12.9. Once in a while I try to get things done on iPad only. No, no programming, other stuff. Every single time, I end up going back to my real computer and regretting wasting time figuring out how to make things work.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by joshstrange »

At the end of the day the Apple Vision Pro is an iPad with an infinite screen and window management. If you can work on an iPad you can work better in the AVP.

That’s not the case for me and it’s not the case for many people here at least. The AVP is an amazing content consumption device but not at the current price point IMHO.

I’ve written daily about my experience with the AVP [0] and I’ve come to the conclusion that I don’t think it’s for me right now. I have zero doubt I will buy a future iteration of this device but this version doesn’t cut it for me.

I went in eyes wide open, no pun intended, to the AVP. I knew from the start that it was a v1, early version, and essentially a dev kit++. I said in comments here on HN that returning it was always on the table for me. I’m going to give it a few more days but as things stand now, be retuning mine.

Apple has created something magical and they knocked it out of the park but it needs improvements to become something I want to wear all the time. Improvements that I believe that Apple will make, that’s Apple’s super power, commitment. They don’t always follow through (the Mac for many years or things like the HomePod) but when they do they create amazing things. Heck, the iPad is something I build on top of (as does my company) because I/we know Apple is committed to it in a way that you can’t say for any other tablet maker.

I can’t wait for fitter iterations of this device and for it to have its retina/iPhone 4 moment.

[0] https://joshstrange.com

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by Terretta »

joshstrange wrote: post #184

At the end of the day the Apple Vision Pro is an iPad with an infinite screen and window management. If you can work on an iPad you can work better in the AVP. That’s not the case for me and it’s not the case for many people here at least. The AVP is an amazing content consumption device but not at the current price point IMHO. I’ve written daily about my experience with the AVP [0] and I’ve come to the conclusion th…

Having used iPad Pro as daily driver since release of magic keyboard with trackpad, I agree with this take.

In particular, if you already use the new iPadOS "Stage Manager" with your business, productivity, and code apps in workspace clusters, you can use all the same apps, tools, and workflows as easily, plus spatial affordances.

Note that any iPad app, if pulled close to you to be about iPad sized within half an arm's reach, can be touched, scrolled, manipulated as if a literal iPad screen. This even works with apps such as Microsoft Whiteboard within Teams, you can write on the shared whiteboard with your fingertip. Of course, lack of solidity makes this far less precise than the literal iPad.

If you find the iPad Pro w/ Magic Keyboard and Trackpad and the Stage Manager approach to multi-task work constraining relative to laptop, you will be even less happy with AVP.

PS. This laptop and tablet case is one of the slimmest that carries both Macbook Pro 16" together with iPad Pro 13" in its Magic Keyboard w/ Trackpad "case" sleekly with plenty of space for all accessories:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Y2Y9PYM/

It has a particularly nice pull strap that lifts the iPad out from the iPad slot. Carrying this case means you always have both with you.

If your use of the iPad is so comfortable you prefer to reach for that over the Macbook for most things even when both are at hand, going to the Macbook only when you need to do something in terminal you can't do in Blink shell, you will probably be fine for remote work using AVP.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by wildrhythms »

JohnFen wrote: post #145
dansalvato wrote: post #69

I've been wearing AVP extensively these past few days, experimenting with using it for all kinds of things. As of now, I don't find it more efficient or seamless at doing much of anything. 1. There is no window management whatsoever. It would be great if I could stick apps to each other, or tile them in a frame, but I can't do that. I also can't stack windows—if I put one window behind another, the only way to access…

> I have a 32:9 curved monitor, and I can easily look at the "side" apps by tilting my head just a few degrees, with my eyes doing the rest of the work. I have one of these at work, and I really, really hate it precisely because I can't keep the whole thing in my field of view at once. I can't even imagine trying to work if that effect is even worse.

I struggle to use multiple monitors for this reason. I see my colleagues on multiple monitors constantly swiveling their neck, isn't that uncomfortable? Instead, I use a 4k monitor and tiling window managers like i3 or swaywm that lets me have unlimited desktops that I can instantly switch between with a keystroke.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by Eugr »

lexlash wrote: post #151
Eugr wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have an Xreal Air and don't find it comfortable at all unless I'm laying down. I have to use optical inserts, and it just keeps sliding down my nose all the time. Quest 3 is vastly more comfortable for me, especially with the Elite strap. Quest Pro, on the other hand, wasn't as comfortable due to the pressure to the forehead... I'll get my AVP later today, will compare then.

Got LASIK in order to do research on stuff like this. I hated jamming my glasses in between my face and CV1; I can’t imagine the xreal working well with inserts - I have to keep it very close to my face in order for it to function.

Even without the inserts and with contacts it was only marginally usable - it has a very narrow sweet spot and requires precise positioning. Not a big issue when watching movies, but a huge one when mirroring the laptop screen...

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by moondev »

JohnFen wrote: post #145
dansalvato wrote: post #69

I've been wearing AVP extensively these past few days, experimenting with using it for all kinds of things. As of now, I don't find it more efficient or seamless at doing much of anything. 1. There is no window management whatsoever. It would be great if I could stick apps to each other, or tile them in a frame, but I can't do that. I also can't stack windows—if I put one window behind another, the only way to access…

> I have a 32:9 curved monitor, and I can easily look at the "side" apps by tilting my head just a few degrees, with my eyes doing the rest of the work. I have one of these at work, and I really, really hate it precisely because I can't keep the whole thing in my field of view at once. I can't even imagine trying to work if that effect is even worse.

I had the same experience with mine. To make matters worse the vertical resolution was lower than a typical 4k display, so it felt like more work for less information density.

I went to a lg ultra wide "5k2k" and it was so much better. The newer curved version is fantastic as well, it feels like my endgame work display.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by foobiekr »

lexlash wrote: post #27
robg wrote: post #2

Quick question: is it comfortable?

Yes and no. In order to get and maintain the best possible clarity, key for text, I have to wear it higher on my face than is comfortable and tighten the strap more than I would prefer. If I could wear it a little lower or with different supports on my face I could easily spend a full day in it; as it is, I’ve yet to spend more than 4h with it on. I find the Meta Quest Pro and 3 more comfortable, but the CV1 was the…

The original oculus rift cv1 was just so comfortable. I wish someone would get there again.

Re: Working in the Vision Pro [video]

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Post by seec »

avalys wrote: post #33
falcolas wrote: post #4

The passthrough looks and works better than expected, but also a bit fuzzier than expected. I do appreciate how crisp the "desktop" windows look though.

The pass through is indeed very fuzzy. All the reviews where people state “it’s like looking through clear safety goggles”, etc. are bogus. It’s like looking through a cell phone camera from about 10 years ago. Especially in low light (e.g. a home office.) The actual AR content, though, is amazingly sharp.

Yeah well, it has been a thing around Apple products for a while, they call reality distortion field but quite frankly I think it's borderline lying.

For some reason, people keep giving Apple a pass for many of the shortcomings of their very expensive products. I mean if they would make extremely competitive affordable products I would kinda make sense to give them some slack (it used to be a bit like that TBH) but today's Apple deserves none of that.

I still remember the hype with Airpods and just after getting them I quickly understood that I had been owned. Not that Airpods were a bad product per se, but for the price they are just not good value.

It is still the same and even worse with the AVP. Considering the price, this product almost suck. It's like people acclaiming an extremely expensive Porsche as a great car. Who give a fuck, the thing is so expensive it is reserved to a small elite, if you make stuff infinitely expensive, they better be infinitely good.

And there lies the problem with current Apple, because they have all the money in the world, they have very little incentive to figure out a working compromise for products at a price that would work for most people. Their current products are plagued with this issue: they are all "nice" but only if you have infinite money, once you start comparing and making choices, they become a lot less interesting, in fact I would argue that most of them low-key sucks for their price...

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