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High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by Monotoko »

drucken wrote: post #37
dafunnie wrote: post #25

Didn't they try to block porn sites last year? David Cameron ostensibly proclaimed that 'porn sites corrupt the British nation' or something in that vein. The UK is beginning to get a tad too draconian for the 21st century.

I think they are still trying. There is an on-going tabloid newspaper campaign where they are trying to force the ISPs and politicians (especially the opposition) to adopt or commit to an "opt-in" for porn on Internet connections. That is, the default would be required that ISPs take on the cost and legal culpability to block porn.

It's the same as what my mobile network (O2) do as well, I tried to read a news article to do with poker, and I got a "This content is rated as over-18. Please call us to have it unblocked" (paraphrased - as I can't remember precisely what it said)

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by glogla »

burgerbrain wrote: post #168
glogla wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's interesting. Is there way to get actual version of this?

Paste that link into your favourite (up to date) torrent client.

Yes, and then you get a database in a simple no quotes | separated file. Someone presumably got this from piratebay servers. What I'm asking is who and how.

EDIT: though I'm realizing now, that "actual" in English might mean something else than I wanted to say. What I meant (and in my language sounds very much like actual) is probably better described as "current".

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by baddox »

anigbrowl wrote: post #127
zanny wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every argument against copyright infringement assumes there is some evil destitute world on the other side of having it in place. We have never in the modern age in any modern first world country ever had an extended time WITHOUT copyright to see what would happen. Everyone just assumes every artist, developer, and investor would disappear overnight and everyone would turn to stone as content is freely distributed. O…

Or maybe we would just go massive kickstarter style (with some kind of contract guarantees unlike the current system) where the funds people have pay people to make the stuff they want, which is then free for everyone to consume since it is free to reproduce. The Kickstarter model works fantastically well for creative people that already have a following/track record.For someone trying to connect with an audience the…

> The Kickstarter model works fantastically well for creative people that already have a following/track record.For someone trying to connect with an audience the first time, not so much.

I call bogus. I've only funded a single Kickstarter project, but it was a completely unknown musician I discovered while browsing Kickstarter. There's no way I'm unique in this.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by rmc »

ajross wrote: post #83
arethuza wrote: post #19

Presumably this is the English & Welsh High Court - not sure if this would apply in Scotland and Northern Ireland?

Not a brit nor a lawyer. But I thought it was simply called the "High Court of England and Wales" and that the judgments were binding throughout the UK.

Nope. The UK is funny. Unlike several 'federated' countries in which each 'bit' has equal power over it's area as each other, the UK has a mismatch. England and Wales are treated together as one country lots of things (law, health system, same notes), but Scotland has a separate legal system, Northern Ireland would have separate laws aswell, but that's a special case cause it has a ahem unique parliamently system.

Wait till you look at other oddities, like the Isle of Mann, which isn't in the UK, or one of the channel islands, which only abolished their feudal voting system a few years ago.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by burgerbrain »

glogla wrote: post #182
burgerbrain wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paste that link into your favourite (up to date) torrent client.

Yes, and then you get a database in a simple no quotes | separated file. Someone presumably got this from piratebay servers. What I'm asking is who and how. EDIT: though I'm realizing now, that "actual" in English might mean something else than I wanted to say. What I meant (and in my language sounds very much like actual) is probably better described as "current".

Ah yes, I'm not sure there. I think maybe whoever compiled this collection scrapped it themselves. I'm not aware of TPB themselves making the proper database publicly available yet.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by rmc »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #79
drucken wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in the sense of execution/implementation. In the UK system, without a written/arms-length constitution, the judiciary is manipulated or beholden to any newly created laws of the land, especially in civil matters. If there are no protections in law, especially rushed laws, there is little the judiciary can do to defend or even argue one interest versus another. This is surprisingly common, particularly in matters…

I'm reading this as the UK doesn't have a system of judicial review, i.e. the courts being able to strike down legislation as being non-compliant with some prior and of presumably higher authority law. Is this correct?

In general sense, yes. Parliament can (legally) do what it wants. There is no list of things parliament cannot do, nor a list of things that it only can do.

However the UK is part of the European Union, and the Council of Europe, and so there are higher courts (outside the UK) which can give out about the UK, and force them to do things. Some of these obligations are part of UK law, but they have to do a weird legal hack thing. E.g. if a law would go against one of the European Human Rights Treaties, a court can issue a declaration that the law is not in compliance, however the court cannot throw out the law, nor strike it down.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by rmc »

glogla wrote: post #182
burgerbrain wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paste that link into your favourite (up to date) torrent client.

Yes, and then you get a database in a simple no quotes | separated file. Someone presumably got this from piratebay servers. What I'm asking is who and how. EDIT: though I'm realizing now, that "actual" in English might mean something else than I wanted to say. What I meant (and in my language sounds very much like actual) is probably better described as "current".

I think someone scrapped it and created that torrent. You might be asking for some sort of distributed automatically up to date database of pirate bay torrents. That would be cool to have, but its not possible with magnet links like that. The magnet link is based on the content of the file(s). If someone were to upload a new torrent, then the contents of the database changes and the hash changes, and the magnet link changes.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by cabalamat »

paulhauggis wrote: post #132
ekianjo wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same can be said for any merchant: selling the work of others without creating anything yourself. If this makes you scream, you should be very angry at supermarkets.

"The same can be said for any merchant: selling the work of others without creating anything yourself. If this makes you scream, you should be very angry at supermarkets." No. Do you know how a supermarket works? They have deals with various vendors and the vendors willingly put their products in the store. The vendors also get a cut when their product sells. The pirate bay, on the other hand, makes money by giving f…

> by giving free access against the wishes of the original authors

Here's what one of these original authors, Dan Bull, has to say: "I want to hear why Geoff Taylor is causing the closure of The Promo Bay, a wonderful feature which gives unsigned musicians the exposure that the BPI's affiliates never will. In the same week that The Pirate Bay allowed an unsigned musician to hit the charts, the BPI has had The Pirate Bay blocked - supposedly to protect the interests of artists like me. It is bullshit. We don't need the BPI"[1]

Some stats about Dan's campaign.

In 3 days TPB = 55k unique visits for Dan's landing website from which 10k unique people clicked on paid links generating potentially (probably) thousands of pounds worth of revenue for the media industry.

More than double the number of people who clicked on a free download link, clicked on a paid download link[2].

1: http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/press/releases/2012/apr/30/pir...

2: http://itsdanbull.com/single/

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

That's It.

I finally broke. I have been reading for going on two years about SOPA, PIPA, GCHQ snaffling everything in sight. And this is the straw that broke the camel's back.

I have just ... written to my MP.

Dammit. It will achieve nothing, but I am going to keep pushing. I know why they are doing this, but ... please please please, stop choking off industries that might just help us compete against the global behemoths down the road.

Re: High Court: The Pirate Bay must be blocked by UK ISPs

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Post by Tycho »

Flimm wrote: post #178
Tycho wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the people (me included) defend copyright because it's a net benefit to the individual, and a fair benefit too (not unfair to anyone). Whether it's a net benefit to humanity, however you measure that, is neither here nor there. It probably is, but those are not the grounds we're arguing on. It's sort of like defending privacy. You don't defend it cause of some net benefit to humanity. Who knows, maybe the wo…

I'm concerned about individual rights too. In fact, it's my concern for individual rights that leads me to reject overly restrictive copyright, (among other things). I find these rights to be valuable: freedom of speech, freedom of creativity, and property rights. (To be clear, by property, I do not include imaginary property like copyright.) Why shouldn't I be able to make back-up copies of the DVDs that are bought…

Nobody gives two hoots about backing up DVDs, singing happy birthday, or painting Hobbits.
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