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I never got why people choose citi. They don’t offer best lending rates, they don’t have a vast ATM network, their credit card benefits are worse than chase/amex, etc. seems they aren’t really amazing at any particular segment but meh in all.
It’s them or HSBC if you’re global.
Citigroup Plans to Cut 20k Jobs
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#182What's going on with all these job cuts all concentrated now? The market is expecting the Fed to start cutting interest rates[0] in March and that has been bullish for the latter half of last year in the stock market. So why are so many companies cutting people? Are the March rate cuts too little too late or do they see that some damage has already been done and they're front running that? Or is it that layoffs is th…
Startups can continue to operate for a few months burning through their reserves even though nobody's investing in them until they... can't.
When the price of bonds that banks have on their assets plunges due to increase in interest rates (they are "marked to market"). Depending on their regulatory requirements it can take a quarter or two. As a result the ratio of the assets of the banks in relation to their liabilities decreases. That's what caused SV bank to collapse (they had less money than they had liabilities and had to fold due to the bank run). In the case of citibank they had to put $1.7 bln into the government deposit insurance fund, which is likely related to the same phenomenon.
Interestingly enough, they also reported that a big part of their one-time expenses ($3.8 bln total) included reorganization expenses, e.g. all the severance they had to pay to the people they laid off in 2023 and other costs related to cutting those people.
Even more interesting, they expect the expense related to cutting 20,000 people to be between $700,000 and $1 billion.
All things considered, Citibank doesn't strike me as a particularly well run organization, and low-level employees are paying the price. As per usual.
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#183This generation of CEOs will go into the history books as the worst.
The executives who committed the vulture-capital mergers and bridge-burning outsourcing of the late '90s and early '00s were much worse.
Last year when Google laid of their big tranche they moved a ton of those projects to india.
Just look at the recent HN articles about Bending Spoons laying off entire companies in mergers.
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#184The primary concern is the people who have lost jobs, and for some, careers and dreams. Some of them are probably reading HN today. But for the economy, it could be a good thing: Talent moving from moribund, unambitious, lower-return businesses to dynamic, often new ones that are hiring and expanding for an optimistic future. (I say unambitous because they are, at least in this situation, cutting costs and talent rat…
I personally don't think its bad if firms just find excuses to keep people on payroll, regardless of the strategic significance.
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#185This generation of CEOs will go into the history books as the worst.
My admittedly naive opinion is that the current generation of CEOs have decided to define a company's growth by headcount rather than revenue or profit. They don't put enough consideration into whether they need more people. They adopt the Project Manager mindset of thinking 9 women can produce a baby in 1 month if they work together. Just because 20 engineers produced a product that created a product that produces $…
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#186They do an outstanding job in mismanaging money. Surprised they are only cutting that much. They are on their way to become a new credit suisse, hopefully this helps to change that course. If you are interested in this subject, compare it to other big banks like JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America etc. The difference is abysmal.
Compare it how? Isn't Citi as different from Chase bank as Microsoft is from Google? Sure - they are both "financial" companies just like Microsoft and Google are both "tech" companies.
The fact that JP Morgan Chase reported Q4 profit at $9.3 bln on the highest annual revenue for any bank EVER, and Bank of America reported Q4 profit at $3.1bln, while Citibank reported net LOSS of $1.8bln, should tell you everything you need to know about how well these organization are managed.
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#187Layoffs? Does the company have 10x the amount of people being laid off? Did it happen after performance evaluations? Yes, yes and yes? You got ranked and yanked. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitality_curve Brought to you courtesy of MBA programs and their pseudoscience. Make MBAs illegal.
What would you say you do here?
Jump to conclusions.
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> What's going on with all these job cuts all concentrated now? This is how I am imagine it went down. > Excuse me, sir. The council is worried about the economy heating up. They wondered if it'd be possible to fire 500000. Maybe from one of the smaller companies where no one would notice, like one of the cab companies. > Fire one million.
Is this… from the Fifth Element?
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I work at a similar bank. We have ~100 employees dedicated to mainly one regulator. There are hundreds of regulators worldwide. Of course there is some overlap in functions so its not 100s*100 but... running a bank is a hard business.
Banking in the modern age is a compliance business. It is strange and horrible that it is become like that, but that's where we are. More sectors than one would think are primarily compliance businesses.