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In the US, tech sucks all the oxygen out of the room (no pun intended). When so much top talent is locked up by big tech, who's left to design planes at Boeing, write software for GM, run for office?
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> This is probably "just" a maintenance issue. > The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span of two months?
Well, this is my field so let's calm down for a sec and dispense with the hyperbole. The plane itself is not "fucked"; my understanding is the aircraft landed safely and nobody was injured. The door/window that departed the aircraft is a serious incident that will be investigated. There will be a report produced that identifies the root cause(s). >How does the maintenance crew fuck up a plane this badly in the span o…
I do agree with you that proper investigation is required before jumping to any conclusion, plenty of factors (external or internal to boeing) can contribute into this type of incident.
Boeing - "Hold my beer, I think I have some duct tape around here somewhere"
Is the FAA going to drag their feet again grounding this plane until the problem is root caused?
Then you’re going to have to ground all the 737-900ERs (in service since 2007) out there as well, since they use the exact same part. Or maybe, just maybe, this is 1,000x more likely to be a maintenance issue than it is a faulty design. If there were a genuine, ongoing safety issue worth worrying about pilots would stop flying them . People seem to entirely forget that the crew up in the cockpit are humans with an in…
> Alaska flight 1282 left Portland just after 5pm local time on Friday when an emergency door blew out at 16,000 feet. If this happened at cruising altitude with a higher pressure differential, would the plane survive? (I know generally the door won't open at that altitude since they open inward, but I assume the same forces wouldn't do anything to prevent a window blowout)
The Aloha Airlines Flight 243 incident took place at 24,000 feet. > The captain felt the aircraft roll to the left and right, and the controls went loose; the first officer noticed pieces of grey insulation floating in the cockpit. The cockpit door had broken away and the captain could see "blue sky where the first-class ceiling had been. > The crew declared an emergency and diverted to Kahului Airport for an emergen…
https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/falling-to-pieces-the-ne...
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> We need to reel in capitalism Ah yes, the aerospace and airline industries are just really overrun with free market ideals.
I hope it's not controversial to point out that agents motivated by profit will, at the limit, optimize for profit at the expense of everything else (including, in this case, safety). Airlines are less regulated today than they were back when Boeing got its start; the other quality of free and markets is that they consolidate into monopolies, at which point the market stops functioning entirely as a useful mechanism…
As opposed to agents motivated by conformity and an eye towards bureaucratic values?
Humans are self interested. This is common across systems. What differs is how we orient those interests in concert or competition, and when that dial is turned.
Do you think there will be any accountability from Boeing executives? Boeing hasn't had a lot of good press in the last few years, will leadership ever be held accountable? There was a time when Boeing was considered a very trustworthy and reliable company, is this the result of a decline in an engineering-focused culture? Edit: Many of the comments in this thread mention that they avoid the 737 MAX whenever possible…
Name the Board. Name the Officers. Message their socials publicly. Don’t dox them, hold them accountable in a public facing manner
> The Boeing 737-9 MAX rolled off the assembly line just two months ago, receiving its certification in November 2023, according to FAA record posted online. It’s 2 months old, so poor maintenance, wear and tear, etc are not even minor factors. This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. And that’s even before we get into some of the design issues, both the shortcuts they’ve taken and ones that are m…
> This is just a poorly made plane with awful quality control. Maybe if Boeing, you know, lobby to lower these safety restrictions then those pesky quality control checks will reduce and somehow everything will just work out just fine [1]. Seriously though, as a brand new, fresh off the production line 737 this kind of event should be so rare as to be nearly impossible. [1] - https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boe…
I am open to the possibility that an industry might be over-regulated and also expect that the people who would be most likely to try and correct that imbalance would be the companies in the industry. Therefore, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that a company should be able to lobby the government in it's own interests. The issue of de-regulation creating safety hazards lies completely with the government officials who take their advice (and probably money) without regard to the effects that might happen.
When a mobster bribes a cop, the person that's commiting the (much) greater offense is the cop.
What strikes me with the ATC recording is that I can barely hear what they say (and that's the case with almost every ATC recording I heard before). And that's without being in a noisy environment (plane in flight). Is the quality really that bad? Doesn't that cause miscommunications? It seems like a fairly fixable problem in 2024.
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Alaska just grounded all their MAX-9s. http://web.archive.org/web/20240106075153/https://news.alask...
Because it makes sense to double check your maintenance when you just experienced an issue overwhelmingly likely to be related to maintenance. These same exact exit plugs have been in service without issue since at least 2007. > Each aircraft will be returned to service only after completion of full maintenance and safety inspections. We anticipate all inspections will be completed in the next few days.
What maintenance? The plane was barely two months old and the part that failed was meant to be something installed permanently, not an emergency exit door that would probably see regular inspections. It's probably "just" sloppy assembly from Boeing/Spirit, which, yes, merit a grounding and inspection.