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Post by ebiester »

willcipriano wrote: post #170
j6zauas4gz wrote: post #169

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People like to make fun of sovereign citizen types who think the law is magic spells, and if you only say the right words you have to be let off the hook or not pay taxes or whatever. The thing is though that that notion is absolutly right. The law is like fucking magic. what else could explain the fact that misspeaking even one word of the incantation will cause the magical shield of +5 "rights against self incrimin…

When the accepted interpretation of the US constitution allows for civil asset forfeiture or indefinite detention lawyers have no rights scoffing at magical ideas. The whole thing is Harry Potter nonsense.

Law is a fundamentally hard problem at scale, especially with a federated system that has bug fixed 725 years (post-Magna Carta) of edge cases.

If you think the second system effect is bad on a 20 year old system, try doing it for centuries of evolutionary system that started with 2-3 million users and has been forked.

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Post by mgbmtl »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #153
emmet wrote: post #151

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Your tax codes aren’t going to update the minute you say your vows. Someone needs to do that on the other side and let you know when it’s been processed.

Why? Does anything change after it's been processed? What are you going to do differently at that point?

I guess it depends if the government recognizes the marriage date that is declared, or the date that they process it (if the marriage was not in front of an official).

Divorce date can be pretty random, since it's rarely done live by a judge/official.

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Post by Mordisquitos »

freetanga wrote: post #178
Mordisquitos wrote: post #148

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> I don't know how you can make something like this "easy to recover" without introducing giant security problems. In a similar way for instance that you would recover a lost, stolen, or accidentally destroyed US passport (but presumably cheaper).

I was thinking more along the line of walking to your local Goverment office and validate your ID. Many countries offer digital IDs to interact with them. And a (cumbersome vs digital but fast Vs traditional government processes) way of unlocking it. It would be just offering a email inbox linked to it. In Spain we have an Inbox from the DMV for fines, one with the Tax authority, one with local government… these are…

Yes, I agree. In fact I'm also Spanish and the solution felt as obvious as it would be in Spain. The reason I suggested the (US) passport analogy was to make it as relatable as possible to the American audience of HN :-)

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Post by kstrauser »

throw0101b wrote: post #179
kstrauser wrote: post #166

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It occurs to me that I make fun of sovereign citizen types, but in tech we have our own set of rituals for getting large organizations to do what we want. While those people are still boneheads, maybe I should be more empathetic about their motivations and why they think that this time it might work .

> It occurs to me that I make fun of sovereign citizen types, but in tech we have our own set of rituals for getting large organizations to do what we want. Sadly a "shibboleet" does not yet exist: * https://xkcd.com/806/ * https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/806:_Tech_Support

I want that so badly.

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Post by lesuorac »

MereInterest wrote: post #144
lesuorac wrote: post #80

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Yeah it was so much better keeping a book of letters from creditors that you showed to any future creditor to show trustworthy-ness. Whatever mess you think SSNs have caused by their unintended use outweighs the previous system. The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions.

> The simple test for that is, why do people use SSNs as it's not legally required for anything but USG interactions. Because if I want to open a bank account, rent an apartment, or get a mortgage, the other party requires me to give them my SSN, on the assumption that it is a valid unique key for tracking debt payment reliability. It doesn’t matter that the SSN is only legally required for interactions with the US g…

Companies ask for the SSN because its so much more efficient than their previous systems.

They already did debt repayment without SSNs; it's just easier with one. The existence of fraud with a SSN doesn't mean there wasn't fraud without one; and if there was more fraud now then companies would abandon asking for SSNs.

You might not like SSNs but their existence has been a benefit not a detriment to the USA.

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Post by [deleted] »

inetknght wrote: post #123
spoiledtechie wrote: post #114

GMail is the worst for email blocking resolutions. They don't have an effective feedback loop built into their system. So when a user does block you, no one is told about it, to be fixed. Therefore lowering your reputation with them over time. How can we as ESPs respond to them appropriately with removal of these people who don't want our emails anymore, if we don't know who the user is? If there are any GMAIL servic…

> How can we as ESPs respond to them appropriately with removal of these people who don't want our emails anymore, if we don't know who the user is? 1. Don't send spam 2. ??? 3. Profit! Literally _all_ email that I've blocked has been from companies where I uncheck the box "send spam to me" and the company sends it anyway, or where the company thinks "oh this guy bought stuff from us, we can now send our daily/weekly…

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Post by ryukafalz »

rixthefox wrote: post #120
airstrike wrote: post #93

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That's the truth, really. Email should cost [$0.02] or some similar value. You'd solve spam overnight.

I disagree. I don't believe that would solve spam you would just force the spammers to use much more aggressive tactics. If you introduce a fee to email you're only hurting the people who actively communicate back and forth via email as a primary method. Mailing lists anyone? Spammers will take your $0.02 fee per email as an operational expense. Most spam is not sent by the spammers themselves from their own servers…

> If you introduce a fee to email you're only hurting the people who actively communicate back and forth via email as a primary method. Mailing lists anyone?

So don't require a stamp for email sent from one of your contacts, or from a mailing list you're subscribed to. No reason email from everyone in the world needs to be treated equally.

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Post by Avamander »

uxp8u61q wrote: post #109
Avamander wrote: post #65

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Until it's not illegal it's only going to get worse.

Spamming is illegal.

In a lot of jurisdictions it basically isn't. I'd love to see at least a few convictions though, where it is.

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Post by amar0c »

albertgoeswoof wrote: post #9

I run a small transactional email provider ( https://mailpace.com ), our IPs are very rarely added to blocklists- but we are very strict on what we allow through our service, and surprisingly we’ve had no long term delivery issues with any of the big providers. So thanks to the federated/decentralized design of email, is totally possible to be part of the network without any special privileges. We are sending million…

Can I use you as relay to my Postfix for 'regular' emails ?

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Post by Avamander »

justsomehnguy wrote: post #168
Avamander wrote: post #61

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SpamHaus always has really good reasons for doing what they're doing. How'd you piss them off? There are actually horrid lists like BackScatterer and UCEProtect that you can't even properly contact. So in comparison SH is super pleasant.

> SpamHaus always has really good reasons Ah, yes, blocking entire /18 and demanding money for the delisting. I guess 'Guilty by association' is a 'good reason'.

I haven't ever heard of them asking money for delisting. Surprising. Considering their track record it must be serious. A bulletproof host range? Traffic from those is absolutely guilty by association as the hosts are enabling abusive behaviour.
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