Apple to halt Apple Watch Series 9 and Ultra 2 sales in the US this week

Post by NewJazz » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 11:37 PM UTC

russdill wrote: post #176

neom wrote: post #160

"Masimo detailed how Apple poached its top executives and more than a dozen other employees before later releasing a watch with pulse oximeter capabilities — which measures the percentage of oxygen that red blood cells carry from the lungs to the body — that were patented by Masimo" "Joe Kiani, the chief executive of Masimo, said in an interview that Apple had not engaged in licensing negotiations. Instead, he said t…

I realize from the perspective of patent law, the patent is not dumb and Apple needs to respect patent law. But man, the patent is just dumb. It's simply just existing technology A, but on obvious technology B. There is absolutely zero innovation. https://patents.google.com/patent/US11474483B2/en

Post by mort96 » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 11:41 PM UTC

caminante wrote: post #183

mort96 wrote: post #181

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It’s so wild that a patent owner is allowed to refuse to sell a license to use the patented technology.

Huh? That doesn't apply here at all. > To avoid a complete ban on sales, Apple had two months to cut a deal with Masimo to license its technology, or it could appeal to the Biden administration to reverse the ruling. But Joe Kiani, the chief executive of Masimo, said in an interview that Apple had not engaged in licensing negotiations

Post by bitvoid » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 11:44 PM UTC

russdill wrote: post #176

neom wrote: post #160

"Masimo detailed how Apple poached its top executives and more than a dozen other employees before later releasing a watch with pulse oximeter capabilities — which measures the percentage of oxygen that red blood cells carry from the lungs to the body — that were patented by Masimo" "Joe Kiani, the chief executive of Masimo, said in an interview that Apple had not engaged in licensing negotiations. Instead, he said t…

I realize from the perspective of patent law, the patent is not dumb and Apple needs to respect patent law. But man, the patent is just dumb. It's simply just existing technology A, but on obvious technology B. There is absolutely zero innovation. https://patents.google.com/patent/US11474483B2/en

Post by varispeed » Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 11:47 PM UTC

epistasis wrote: post #166

varispeed wrote: post #158

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Still, you don't own people. People should be free to switch employers if they don't like their current ones. If we going that route, we might be bringing back slavery by the backdoor. The Masimo case should have been thrown out. Just imagine you are an engineer with amazing and unique skillset but you were unfortunate enough to pick wrong employer. You get a new offer from someone who sees your potential and could g…

I phrased my comment poorly. It's not only that they built something similar, it's that they built the patented tech. Hiring a team and rebuilding something that is not patented, or that skirts the edge of a patent, that's just fine. Hiring the team and building the patented thing is bad, not because of hiring the team, but because of building the patented thing. That it's the same team is just evidence that it infri…

Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 12:01 AM UTC

mort96 wrote: post #184

caminante wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? That doesn't apply here at all. > To avoid a complete ban on sales, Apple had two months to cut a deal with Masimo to license its technology, or it could appeal to the Biden administration to reverse the ruling. But Joe Kiani, the chief executive of Masimo, said in an interview that Apple had not engaged in licensing negotiations

> “If they don’t want to use our chip, I’ll work with them to make their product good,” Mr. Kiani said. “Once it’s good enough, I’m happy to give them a license.” Doesn’t this quite plainly mean that they aren’t willing to just license the patent?