Google needs to update their playbook. A publicly available demo goes a long way. Google of all companies shouldn't be coming off as the dinosaur when it comes to generative AI.
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Google Imagen 2
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How has Android been a dumpster fire? I don't even think it's arguable.
They may have had the occasional advantage over iOS for a brief period 5-6 years ago. Nowadays they clearly lag behind Apple on everything and even their Pixel line does a half-assed copy/paste of the latest iPhone features (or introduces features which are shiny but have some sort of downside or require cloud processing to work). Android's advantage has always been that everyone else gets to play. And it's good that…
Especially in regards to Android, feature parity is just not that high on my wishlist. It makes calls, apps run on it, happy days. It's like knowing my car has running gear parity with another brand, when most of us are just using them to drive to work.
Re: Google Imagen 2
#183This would have been an epic release two years ago, but there are now many well-established models in this area (DALL-E, Midjourney, Stable Diffusion). It would be great to see some comparisons or benchmarks to show Imagen 2 is a better alternative. As it stands, it's hard for me to tell if this is worth switching to.
I was going to pretty much state the same - the obvious, while also adding insult to injury by saying that with recent announces in the lats few weeks, it seems that Google desperately needs to shine in the world of AI, but fails to do so (despite 2000+ votes for new Bard, which is still not so good).
Now, from a designer perspective, honestly, I don't care too much who's the provider of the image, since one will have to anyway work more on it. So designers, illustrators, etc are not the target for such platforms, even though it seems counter-intuitive. If you ask me which system was the source for an image used for a poster last 12 months... well, I may remember, but is not of a paramount importance to the end result. After an year of active usage of DALLE2/3, SDXL, Midjourney (which is also SD of some sort) I can confidently state that there is much more work to do and a lot of prompting, to actually get something unique and something worth being used. Sadly the time taken is proportionate to working with actual real artist. Of course - the latter is likely to be hit by this new innovation, but perhaps not so much.
From the perspective of s.o. integrating text-ot-image - which is yet to be seen in a reasonable manner, like for a quest game with generative images - the API flexibility and cost would be the most important qualifier. Even then it may actually be better to run SD/XL. From cost perspective - all these services are still very pricey to be used for anything more serious than few one-shot images.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
They may have had the occasional advantage over iOS for a brief period 5-6 years ago. Nowadays they clearly lag behind Apple on everything and even their Pixel line does a half-assed copy/paste of the latest iPhone features (or introduces features which are shiny but have some sort of downside or require cloud processing to work). Android's advantage has always been that everyone else gets to play. And it's good that…
This is your opinion with nothing from a technical standpoint.
Sure, that’s fair.
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It's absolutely full of spam, and the only ads left are crypto airdrops coming from what look like hacked accounts.
Have you used twitter before the musk takeover? That's exactly what you are describing. At worst, nothing changed. At best, in my experience, the spam problem has somehow gotten better. Much less spam accounts below every single post like how it used to be. I still think layoffs are bad because I don't care about corporate profit or efficiency to be honest, but in this case it's a bit surprising how nothing concrete…
> Have you used twitter before the musk takeover?
Yes.
> Much less spam accounts below every single post like how it used to be.
No, they're still there. They're even more there on popular posts.
A strange thing is that they never seem to ban the onlyfans bots, but they do hide them under "more replies" - so if you habitually expand that, you just keep seeing the same ones everywhere.
> but in this case it's a bit surprising how nothing concrete has actually changed even with 80% reduction in staffing
That's not too surprising, because what the other people were doing was changing stuff. So now they're gone, things won't change, ever.
Re: Google Imagen 2
#186Google desperately needs to get their platform/docs in order. It is incredibly difficult to use any of their new AI stuff. I have access to Imagen (which was a rodeo to get on its own), but do not know if it v1 or v2 for example.
They need to ditch Sundar, I don't know what the hell they are thinking. Google so badly needs reorganization.
Why? The stock has consistently risen since Sundar was hired. So all is well! /s
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you throw some examples up on Imgur or something?
Sure, here's sample query https://imgur.com/a/8UDDac9 These are DALL-E 3, Imagen, and Imagen 2, in this order. I've used the code based on similar examples from GitHub [1]. According to docs [2], imagegeneration@005 was released on the 11th, so I guessed it's Imagen 2, though there are no confirmations. [1] https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/generative-ai/blob/ma... [2] https://console.cloud.google.com/vertex-ai/…
You've got to be kidding me. This almost deserves its own post.
That last picture is still so horribly bad it's no wonder Google made it almost impossible to access this tech.
How did Google drop the ball on AI like this when they pioneered the entire field?
Re: Google Imagen 2
#188I asked imagen 2 to generate a transparent product icon image, and it generated an actual grey and white square pattern as the background of the image... https://imgur.com/a/KA2yWHp
That's because it was trained on RGB images without an alpha channel. There is currently no public image generator that understands alpha channel.
The closest I've found is vector generative AI like what's in Adobe Illustrator today.
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I've seen this claim thrown around a few times but haven't really seen any evidence that it's true, beyond a few unconvincing anecdotes.
It's true, was there through 2016-2023. People just have different definitions of what coasting means. In general don't think "doing nothing" or "avoiding work" think "add certainty to process + decision making like everyone else does", and much more importantly "avoiding friction because as soon as there's even a little bit, people leverage it" More detail on what causes this: - processes become elongated through wh…
I work at a big corp and my experience is swaths of the year (I'm talking weeks at a time) when upper management is engaging in faction warfare many levels above me, and my own manager doesn't know what the team should be working on until upper management can set priorities. So I have nothing to work on. I guess this is 'coasting'.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's true, was there through 2016-2023. People just have different definitions of what coasting means. In general don't think "doing nothing" or "avoiding work" think "add certainty to process + decision making like everyone else does", and much more importantly "avoiding friction because as soon as there's even a little bit, people leverage it" More detail on what causes this: - processes become elongated through wh…
I work at a big corp and my experience is swaths of the year (I'm talking weeks at a time) when upper management is engaging in faction warfare many levels above me, and my own manager doesn't know what the team should be working on until upper management can set priorities. So I have nothing to work on. I guess this is 'coasting'.
I remember a situation during my stint at Google, VP involved in a not-really-competing internal system kept threatening us about comparing our system against theirs so we don't make them look bad. Even though there was an explicit internal benchmark (made by them!) that was made for such comparisons!
Our team was flabbergasted that this could even be an issue.