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The pro-Israel information war

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Post by toyg »

dml2135 wrote: post #158
incrudible wrote: post #141

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The question is, what is so special about the Israeli/Palestine conflict that leads to these outsized protests? I do not recollect a similar response to the treatment of ISIS or the war in Yemen, even though both had the unconditional support of the US war machine. Even if the left could be absolved of antisemitism, the resistance groups it is aligning itself with clearly can not.

I certainly remember similar sized, if not larger, protests against the Iraq war.

In the UK, the Iraq invasion provoked the biggest protests ever witnessed. The current stuff is small potatoes in comparison.

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Post by jenadine »

KittenInABox wrote: post #81
Dalewyn wrote: post #54

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I want to believe that Hamas is hiding among civilians, but there has already been reported major violations where there cannot be any military benefit for Israel about this. A hospital with a children's ward was labeled to be a command center for Hamas, but when the BBC came to examine the command center, they not only found nothing to indicate a major military use but also had video evidence (from previous video ta…

Are you talking about the hospital that was actually destroyed accidentally by the Hamas and the Hamas blamed it on Israel?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Ahli_Arab_Hospital_explosio...

Re: The pro-Israel information war

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Post by ristlane »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #140
ristlane wrote: post #127

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I’m not holding them to a higher standard. Imagine if you will someone going to start large scale bombing NYC. Or London. Or Rome. The Hamas attack was unprecedented and horrific. I don’t know that it justifies declaring all out war on and entire city. I can say that without being anti-Semitic.

Hamas is hiding among civilians. I don’t want innocent people to be hurt, but their use of human shields is simply the standard playbook in this type of warfare. Hamas rationally wants Gazan civilians to be nearby and indistinguishable from combatants.

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Post by dubcanada »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #140
ristlane wrote: post #127

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I’m not holding them to a higher standard. Imagine if you will someone going to start large scale bombing NYC. Or London. Or Rome. The Hamas attack was unprecedented and horrific. I don’t know that it justifies declaring all out war on and entire city. I can say that without being anti-Semitic.

If you take what happened in Israel and change the location to London, do you think UK would just shrug it off? I am in no way saying what is currently happening is okay, but the response was the response, replace Israel with most other military dominant countries and you would get a similar response, especially if you were the stronger party. Depending on who we talk about, it may actually have been way worse.

I believe what OP is saying is that most other countries would have done the same. And for you to impart hatred on Israel for doing what most other countries would have done is anti-semitism.

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Post by simonh »

ok123456 wrote: post #142
rushingcreek wrote: post #66

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It’s more complicated than that. Criticizing Israeli settlements in the West Bank is not antisemitic. But suggesting that Israel has no right to exist as a Jewish state is antisemitic as it implies ethnic cleansing. Both are arguably criticisms of the Israeli government.

Why should we in the West support a religious ethnostate? No government has the divine right to exist. Governments succeed or fail by the will of those who live there.

Israel has a population of around 2 million Arab Muslims. They have full citizenship, serve in the police and army, are represented in the Knesset, serve as judges and one of them sits on the Supreme Court. One of them won the Miss Israel competition a while back. Does that sound much like a Jewish ethnostate?

Do you know what the Jewish populations were in Arab states back in the 1940s? It was about 800,000. It’s only the fact that the state of Israel existed, and gave them somewhere to flee to, that so many managed to escape with their lives.

It is true there were expulsions of palestinians during the 1948 invasion by the Arab armies, which is abhorrent, but this was in the context of a concerted, explicitly declared attempt at mass ethnic cleansing of the Jews. They were literally fighting to exist. Then-Secretary-General of the Arab League Abdul Rahman Azzam, said, "This will be a war of destruction and a great massacre." Other Arab leaders made it clear they intended to kill or expel the entire Jewish population, a policy which they actually carried out in their own countries. So we know this wasn’t just rhetoric, where they could do it, they did.

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Post by etchalon »

ristlane wrote: post #159
hypeit wrote: post #3

If I'm ever fired for taking a pro-Palestinian stance, I will spend the rest of my life suing everyone involved. The capital community has crossed so many lines in their witch hunt for pro-Palestinan voices that it's not even funny. Our industry has reached a breaking point and I'm not sure what's going to happen since most of the VCs are extremely pro-Zionism and a huge portion of people under the age of 45 are pro-…

I’m very pro-Palestinian. That’s yet another reason why I want Hamas gone. There’s no chance for social justice while terrorists are running the show.

If the conditions in Gaza continue as they have for multiple generations now, the eradication of Hamas will just beget the founding a different group with the same approach, or near to.

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Post by toyg »

shmatt wrote: post #175
dml2135 wrote: post #158

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I certainly remember similar sized, if not larger, protests against the Iraq war.

Iraq never attacked anyone. A better comparison is the war in Afghanistan. If we compare # of people in each country. 10/07 for Israel was like 15 9/11s (this is a quote from a President Biden speech). So not only is it worth asking - how many Americans didnt want to fight Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. But how many would be against some sort of war like that, if tomorrow morning they woke up to a 9/11 sized attack in 15 o…

Yeah, and the war in Afghanistan resulted in nothing but temporary bloody vengeance. 20 years later, and we're all back to where we were before - minus millions of civilians dead or displaced.

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Post by sabarn01 »

sertbdfgbnfgsd wrote: post #27
jdross wrote: post #7

Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. https://twitter.com/antgoldbloom/status/1721561226151612602 If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views https://twitter.com/committeeonccp/status/173279243496103143... It also seems like these platforms create (rather than support) anti-Israeli views: https://twitter.…

> Pro-Palestinian views outrank Pro-Israeli online by around 36 to 1 on TikTok and 8 to 1 on other online platforms. > If anything the skew within the platforms is to prioritize pro-palestinian views. That platforms prioritize one over the other is just one possible explanation. An alternative explanation is that more people already have those views. And it's dishonest to present one explanation and omit the other. N…

There is an ocean of injustice in the world and this one issue causes more anger than many that are equally abhorrent.

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Post by ls612 »

Scubabear68 wrote: post #140
ristlane wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I’m not holding them to a higher standard. Imagine if you will someone going to start large scale bombing NYC. Or London. Or Rome. The Hamas attack was unprecedented and horrific. I don’t know that it justifies declaring all out war on and entire city. I can say that without being anti-Semitic.

Imagine if a terrorist group murdered 2750 people in New York and in response the US said they would topple the government which supported them and occupy their country indefinitely.
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