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> He had his own TV show, has multiple published books and a popular podcast. That alone doesn't meet Wikipedia's requirements for noteworthiness. Some of the sources you used have to be independent . Eg. published biographies written by someone else, an independent TV show about him (not starring him), etc. Otherwise any random social media influencer could be included if they publish their content in various format…
And what’s wrong with that? Are you worried that you’ll run out of bits?
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What is it about this topic that drives people absolutely crazy? Far less than 1% of people ID as trans yet it's just the most important cultural shibboleth and just mentioned / argued about constantly... why do you care at all how Wikipedia phrases the opening paragraph on their page about Trans women?
There were women's spaces (bathrooms / changing rooms) for example that kept women safe from predatory men. Who should be allowed in those? Is it defined by the clothes? If a predatory man / bad actor decides to put on those clothes to abuse the system, then what? What if the predatory man / bad actor decides to hang just below the bar of illegality, and creep on women long term?
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I’m not inside your head so I don’t know if you would agree, but I would love to see this say content that is deemed undesirable as opposed to just straight “undesirable.” My problem with gray text is a bit different: Since the dumbness of crowds can happen even on HN, I’d like to be able read comments myself and decide for myself what to think about them. With some topics the hater community is very strong, and comm…
Yeah, we're basically in agreement there. In most cases, I'd say those comment threads that end up almost entirely grayed out were never good candidates for HN stories in the first place.
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And yet it's one of the crowning achievements of the entire Internet, and a contender for one of the most important written works of the last century. This is always the challenge trying to dismiss Wikipedia: something they're doing is working, not just well, but well on a level that is virtually unprecedented.
Give it time. As Wikipedia has become more and more obsessed with being "encyclopedic", I've noticed that they are increasingly ending up with articles that are stripped of any useful information.
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#185I have been making small contributions for fifteen or so years. I don’t much feel like doing it anymore after a spurt of bad interactions. About a year ago I created a Wikipedia page for a TV personality and author I enjoy. Spent literal hours on it collecting citations and what have you. Within a couple hours the page was deleted for not being noteworthy. He had his own TV show, has multiple published books and a po…
Would this be Andrew Heaton? Here is the discussion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio... it doesn't look particularly contested.
Like there is always going to be disagreements about what should or shouldn't be an article, but this case seems pretty reasonable and hardly a close call.
The wikipedians claimed there was no independent coverage of this person, and nobody disagreed. Seems reasonable to delete in such circumstances.
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> Within 5 minutes of posting the page, someone else did read my citations word for word, and it was marked for “rapid deletion for copyright infringement”. No chance to explain. No chance to reword. Just gone completely and I didn’t have a local copy of the article.
Well yes, copyvios put wikipedia in disrepute so they are handled quickly. That doesn't mean it is the end of everything - you can still discuss after it was deleted. Even if it remains deleted an admin would likely be willing to give you the non copyvio part if you asked.
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It's not a fringe assertion on the left.
Among all Americans, 60% (and growing) believe that a transwoman is not a woman.
So, my core point stands: the transwoman Wikipedia article parrots an ideological minority.
This ideological group happens to be extremely online and fervent, as my downvote status reflects. But they are nevertheless a shrinking minority, per Pew Research, and their views have no place being espoused in a Wikipedia article. It's a shameful contravention of Wikipedia neutrality. [2]
If toxicity makes certain "volunteers" stop squatting on Wikipedia pages, then weaponized toxicity against them might actually be the prosocial choice, as Wikipedia is an important public resource. Drive them out. That's my takeaway from the parent article.
[1] https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2022/06/28/america...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_vie...
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Yeah, whenever I ask a question on SO, I literally have to write paragraphs of text exhorting people to answer my question instead of a different question they find easier, or why my question is not the same as some vaguely similar one. Then I have to constantly remind people about the same stuff in the comments. That culture problem has been getting worse and worse at SO over time. I only go there as a last resort.
StackOverflow is a great resource if you want to know how you would have done some programming task in 2009. Their cultural aversion to new/updated content has frozen them in time.
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Give it time. As Wikipedia has become more and more obsessed with being "encyclopedic", I've noticed that they are increasingly ending up with articles that are stripped of any useful information.
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Should have stopped after first sentence.
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^ toxic comment. - "People like you" - "always" - "You" "calling them a failure" - all hostile. Should have stopped after first sentence.
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^ toxic comment. - "People like you" - "always" - "You" "calling them a failure" - all hostile. Should have stopped after first sentence.
Maybe I should have stopped after the first sentence, but there's always, every bloody time, someone there to drag you down with negativity. How wiki is shit, stackoverflow is shit, the web is shit, society is shit – they never offer evidence, it's just shit and they can't see good in anything. I'm tired of these people dragging me down. What is their fucking agenda other than to wallow in failure?
Swearing at them, calling them out, "people like you" etc, affects them.
I have to have this exact same discussion with my 60yo bipolar neighbour who terrorizes a whole ecovillage, because someone planted carrots and "don't they know the seasonal pattern!!" - just relax, focus on your lane