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DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by itsoktocry »

lhorie wrote: post #50
kiba wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

That's a somewhat outdated narrative to still be parroting. Uber just got included into the SP 500. One of the pre-requisites for that is being profitable on a GAAP basis.

>One of the pre-requisites for that is being profitable on a GAAP basis.

Uber lost money for 22 straight quarters, then made money for the last two. Bit optimistic to think it's smooth sailing from here, in my opinion. I enjoy Uber, the product, but they are middle manning a couple of low margin industries. Hard to imagine it being a multi-hundred-billion dollar company.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by jncfhnb »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #168
crmd wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, the more "corporate" restaurant groups are growing but the less well capitalized small businesses are in a world of hurt trying to balance the books with the leftovers after the rise in physical rent and advertising/platform company costs.

> the more "corporate" restaurant groups are growing but the less well capitalized small businesses are in a world of hurt Within the <$50/diner category, yes. It seems this is where the new Applebees/Ruby Tuesdays are forming. Above that, there is an explosion of creativity in the fine and pseudufine dining categories.

I’m not sure that’s true. Only change I saw was a growth of fine dining Korean food in nyc

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by prawn »

legitster wrote: post #92
8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

It was never a sustainable business model to begin with. It takes 10 minutes for a chef to make my meal, and 25 minutes for someone to come to the restaurant, pick it up, and drive it to my house. The only way it works is if someone else's time is an order of magnitude less valuable than yours.

I wish there were Indian curry vans instead of ice cream vans, driving around the streets playing distinctive music from 5-8pm. Group buy discounts for individual streets to promote pre-purchase, etc. Do a different suburb each night of the week. Please someone make this.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #148
crmd wrote: post #131

As an old person, I'd like to point out that my hometown of New York City had a dynamic, world class restaurant scene, including a cornucopia of home delivery, long before the tech platform companies found a way to siphon ~40% of consumer spend out of the local restaurant economy in exchange for some friction reduction. We were doing great. But you had a drawer full of paper menus and had to call the restaurant.

Has the local restaurant scene recovered from the lockdowns? I live in a smaller city and we have recovered some but it's nothing like it was. I heard it was particularly rough in NYC.

I live in the NYC suburbs.

COVID killed a number of restaurants, but some, thrived. A couple of local sit-down restaurants switched to take-out only, fired all their waitstaff, and probably got a lot of financial assistance. They made out well.

A couple, never went back to in-house dining. They are still take-out only.

Doordash became huge around here (Ubereats, too). Pretty much every restaurant does them.

The prices have gone way up, for many of these places. A few places have doubled their prices, in just a few months.

Not sure of all the causes, or the long-term effects, but I am not seeing too many "Help Wanted" signs.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by handy2000 »

dragontamer wrote: post #170
handy2000 wrote: post #164

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You are partially correct describing that some delivery drivers already batch their orders. But that's still a different use case. Foodsby can't scale to 15 min increments for all restaurants in the city. While some people can preplan and are OK ordering food from a specific restaurant that Foodsby works with, most people don't want that. How many people want to order food from an expensive Spanish (i.e. Spanish, not…

> Foodsby can't scale to 15 min increments for all restaurants in the city. For some definition of increments and "all", yes they can. Restaraunt#1 delivers at 10:15am. Restaraunt#2 delivers at 10:30am. Etc. etc. etc. Covering the entirety of lunch hours. This is how it works in practice, today. If you're in a location with lots of Foodsby usage, then you might have 3 or 4 different Foodsby locations to check within…

> In any case, _THIS_ is innovation. Actually playing with models and finding things that are better for everyone

Yup, that's a good point. The current model doesn't seem to be sustinable.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by standardUser »

mym1990 wrote: post #45
kiba wrote: post #23

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They aren't really viable business models to begin with. Only VC funding can keep these online platform up.

Not sure why you got downvoted, its true. These platforms are all a race to the bottom to capture market share and then jack up of prices to recover lost revenue. Overall, it ends up being a terrible experience for the customer and the driver/deliverer.

How does the customer have a terrible experience? I order delivery more often than is reasonable across many different platforms and I usually have a perfectly fine experience.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jncfhnb wrote: post #182
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the more "corporate" restaurant groups are growing but the less well capitalized small businesses are in a world of hurt Within the <$50/diner category, yes. It seems this is where the new Applebees/Ruby Tuesdays are forming. Above that, there is an explosion of creativity in the fine and pseudufine dining categories.

I’m not sure that’s true. Only change I saw was a growth of fine dining Korean food in nyc

> only change I saw was a growth of fine dining Korean food

I can count half a dozen on my block in Flatiron alone. The only Korean fine-dining place to have opened near me is Nōksu, and I'm a few blocks from Koreatown.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by dragontamer »

handy2000 wrote: post #185
dragontamer wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Foodsby can't scale to 15 min increments for all restaurants in the city. For some definition of increments and "all", yes they can. Restaraunt#1 delivers at 10:15am. Restaraunt#2 delivers at 10:30am. Etc. etc. etc. Covering the entirety of lunch hours. This is how it works in practice, today. If you're in a location with lots of Foodsby usage, then you might have 3 or 4 different Foodsby locations to check within…

> In any case, _THIS_ is innovation. Actually playing with models and finding things that are better for everyone Yup, that's a good point. The current model doesn't seem to be sustinable.

The Food Truck model also seems to be taking off in my area.

Which is somewhat different than internet-based calling of food, but still a convenient walk that gets me lunch.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by standardUser »

koolba wrote: post #8

> Dashers who deliver in NYC will now earn at least $29.93 per hour of active time, nearly twice NYC’s $15 minimum wage for other workers. What’s a realistic amount of “active time” per hour? I’m assuming waiting for a job is not active time right? > These new regulations will force us to raise fees for orders in New York City. In order to better balance the impact of these new costs, we’re moving the option to tip i…

Tipping is a cultural convention. You don't tip for service, you tip because it is our custom. You don't have to tip, but then you risk backlash for violating social norms. If you really like the service, you can tip extra. If not, you can give a low rating or and/or write a negative review and/or not patronize them again.

Re: DoorDash raises minimum pay to $29.93 per hour in NYC

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Post by delfinom »

8bitben wrote: post #18

The platform fees and the insane menu price markups that restaurants apply for delivery app orders have made it impractical to use Uber Eats & DoorDash for a couple years now IMO. I only ever consider using them when offered at least 50% off. Mandated minimum earnings will benefit the drivers, but that won't help drivers that have to quit the platforms because people stop using them.

Everytime I get one of those uber eats coupons for 25% or even 50% off a order, it's rigged.

Open two windows, apply the coupon in one. Watch as the order totals are not 50% apart. They instantly jack the service fees on the 50% coupon order.

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