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Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by NikkiA » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:31 AM UTC

alpaca128 wrote: post #74

BSVogler wrote: post #59

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Yes. You need to be very technical. E.g. there is a keyboard selection thing with multiple ambiguous options while on Mac you have to press like one key to identify it. Even windows somehow works without requiring a PhD in keyboard layouts.

On modern distros the installer will already have the right one selected if your keyboard layout matches the system language (which is true for 99% of computer users). I'm pretty sure Fedora doesn't show you the list of layouts unless you want to manually change it.

> (which is true for 99% of computer users)

If you mean 99% of US computer users, maybe.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by FullyFunctional » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 7:31 AM UTC

actuallyalys wrote: post #176

FullyFunctional wrote: post #167

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The main thing I miss whenever I try yet-another mac-like skin is keybindings that actually work. I have decadeS of muscle memory, so when keyboard binding are different, I instantly bail. Now I understand why that's hard (this is all implemented individually by each app), but it's a non-starter without this.

Konto goes a long way in my experience: https://kinto.sh/

Alas, it doesn't currently work with Wayland (it's in one of the 294 issues).

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by pjmlp » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 4:08 PM UTC

cristeigabriel wrote: post #100

It just looks bad. You want to be MacOS? Actually go and copy it, as close to pixel perfect as you fancy. I've personally experimented with replicating UIs using just a "device" object to a graphical API, so I know very well that it is possible. What prevents this project from just... going out and actually doing what they're trying to achieve? Take high resolution screenshots, carefully understand what's going on, a…

Not to mention that has zero relation wit macOS developer experience, those developers that actually target Apple platforms, instead of using it as fancy UNIX.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc » Mon, Dec 04, 2023, 5:35 PM UTC

latexr wrote: post #175

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #72

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>I guarantee that would need to be repeated multiple times, with the other person having to take out their phone and asking questions in the midst of typing, and I’d still have to check and they’d have it wrong first time. Definitely not. I'd just tell the raven os and let them google it. Google would find it anyway. Which I know you didn't even try before writing this italics laden diatribe because the bigger issue…

> Definitely not. Definitely yes. Again, speaking from experience. Yours may be different, but don’t discount mine. > I'd just tell the raven os and let them google it. You missed the point entirely. With each step they have to do, you lose someone. The point is to reduce friction so there is a better chance the other person follows the recommendation. You don’t seem to care if the other person ends up searching for…

> You appear to be irrationally angry about this matter. It’s just an internet conversation about naming, it’s not worth raising your blood pressure for. I wish you a calm weekend.

Actually my impartial arbiter chatgpt says you're frustrated and annoyed. Always weird when people go straight into projection.

> Yes, I did. And I didn’t get what I was looking for. I was expecting to get at least the web browser but even that did not show up. Please don’t assume you know what other people do or do not do.

Please don't go on the internet and just tell lies.

> No, that is not an issue at all. No one made them choose “raven”, a name already in use by multiple projects. The solution to “this name already exists” isn’t “let’s replace a letter”.

This point was in agreement with you that their name was a poor choice. They should have chosen something else given this was already taken, for the exact same kind of thing no less. If you were less mad you might have realized that.

Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 2:01 PM UTC

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #109

hospitalJail wrote: post #47

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> Try blindfolding yourself, inserting your installer usb stick, and installing your thing and using it successfully. I don't understand this. Are you saying its hard to install Linux? Has this ever been true? Usually you smash the Next button. There is a partioning screen, but that is some serious changes you are going to make. I don't care what OS religion you follow, I'm taking the blindfold off during partioning.

But this also means you're fucked if you're blind and taking blindfold off doesn't make any difference. This is not about religion, man. This is about accessibility.

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Re: RavynOS Finesse of macOS. Freedom of FreeBSD

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Post by WesolyKubeczek » Tue, Dec 05, 2023, 6:39 PM UTC

n9 wrote: post #151

hedora wrote: post #88

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You are describing MacOS 9. The ribbon had all the settings for the OS, and was always a click away. Finder worked out of the box. These days, copy-paste is hit or miss, and the window manager can’t be reliably controlled via the keyboard. Also, even in first party apps, keyboard shortcuts are completely inconsistent. Command-0 no longer reliably restores the main window. In maps, Command-L doesn’t focus the location…

sure, there are inconsistencies, but with some global shortcuts in your muscle memory and a few years of using spotlight under your belt... OSX out of the box is fast and efficient as hell. But I will relent and acknowledge that your arguments ring very true. How do I get my Messages window back if I accentally close it? Very good point. The ribbon though? I think your memory is optimistic. It was in my memory ugly,…

> How do I get my Messages window back if I accentally close it? Very good point.

Just checked it: Cmd+N (New) will pop it right back. If you don't want the stupid new message, Cmd+0 will do the trick.