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I 100% switched from 3rd party password managers to keychain and never looked back. It does everything natively, including 2-factor auth.
What if you want to use a Windows or Linux machine?
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I 100% switched from 3rd party password managers to keychain and never looked back. It does everything natively, including 2-factor auth.
As much as I generally love Apple products, I'm good with keeping my passwords in a system not 100% controlled by Apple. Thanks though!
I mean, we'll see people NOW saying "oh, I never trusted LastPass", but that's BS.
Gets stuck on major websites. The extension support sounds extremely fishy: I could install uBlock Origin, but either they are violating the Apple AppStore rules, or the extensions aren't actually working (fake API, not really implemented).
Open Source would be MUCH better, but I'm seeing you're working on it, will wait till then I guess.
I never understood the delays before open sourcing a product. Unless they are using third party proprietary code, what do they have to work on?
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As much as I generally love Apple products, I'm good with keeping my passwords in a system not 100% controlled by Apple. Thanks though!
I'm the opposite, while I don't trust any company, there are levels of trust I give. I trust Apple over a 3rd party. I remember when LastPass was touted by everyone as safe and secure...now look what's happened to them several times. I mean, we'll see people NOW saying "oh, I never trusted LastPass", but that's BS.
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Yeah. What a waste of time for Kagi. Isn’t search hard enough? Wouldn’t that dev time be better spent on their main product?
I agree. I love Kagi search but this seems to have no unique features over other browsers. You are better off using your otherwise favourite browser and changing the default search engine as far as I can tell.
As a paying Kagi user, please don't waste my money on this when Firefox already exists.
Like with Kagi search, we wanted to build a browser that gives power back to the user and aligns all incentives. We find this incredibly important.
This is why, unlike Firefox, Orion is both zero telemetry and comes with a built-in ad and tracking blocker. And also unlike Firefox, this makes Orion both privacy respecting and privacy protecting, by default. And that is just a start of things you get when you align incentives in a browser.
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I agree. I love Kagi search but this seems to have no unique features over other browsers. You are better off using your otherwise favourite browser and changing the default search engine as far as I can tell.
It has many unique features over other browsers. To begin with, it is zero telemetry by default. It is also the fastest browser on Mac as measured by Speedometer. And it supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, in a WebKit based browser. This should be a good start.
As a paying Kagi user, please don't waste my money on this when Firefox already exists.
I’m also a paying user (and a fan) of Kagi. I’m still confused by the strategy. If you are not Google and trying to have an hegemony on the web, there’s no obvious link between a browser and a search engine. I don’t see the point from a business perspective. It sends a strange signal to users "Hey, by the way, we are reinventing the wheel and making also a browser that works only on some operating systems". It’s a bi…
Second part of the answer to your question is that you can not humanize the web (our stated mission) with just Search. The window to the web is the browser. It is the most important software we have on our computers and yet we are as a civilization somehow Ok with the fact that most mainstream browsers through which we inform and educate are directly or indirectly in the service of advertising companies (!).
If that is not dystopia, I am not sure what is. And that is what we are up against, even if the odds are against us.
Orion is the first browser in 20 years that you can pay for and own. Owning your browser is a thing again thanks to Orion!
It is also a great customer acqusition channel for Kagi, as we do not do advertising and many Kagi members told us this is how they found about the Search product.
Yes it is hard. Yes Orion only exists on Mac, because you have to start somewhere and we are a small team. But we will get there.
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It has many unique features over other browsers. To begin with, it is zero telemetry by default. It is also the fastest browser on Mac as measured by Speedometer. And it supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, in a WebKit based browser. This should be a good start.
Zero telemetry and fastest aren't unique features (assuming that fastest is not notably true, since every browser seems to be the fastest in some benchmark or another). Supporting both Chrome and Firefox extensions may be, but that seems like a very small niche?
Zero telemetry may not be a unique feature to you, but if you care about having a privacy respecting browser it certainly is. If a browser has telemetry, which almost every other browser has, it is not privacy respecting by definition.