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Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by iaseiadit »

hot_gril wrote: post #178
iaseiadit wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California went from around 85% white European to 35% in roughly a generation (from 1960s to today). Statewide, only 20% of California students are white so their numbers will continue to decline for the foreseeable future. The US is a melting pot culture and people accept these changes, but there’s no reason that European cultures need to replicate this in their own countries.

I can understand if Europe doesn't want to replicate this, but then they might have to fix their issue with birth rates.

Yes, that’s an issue and it’s affecting countries all over the world.

Sub-Saharan Africa and some Middle Eastern countries are pretty much the only places left with high fertility rates:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_f...

But we may need to consider more solutions than simply using Africa and the Middle East as a breeding ground to populate the rest of the world?

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by [deleted] »

29athrowaway wrote: post #61
justrealist wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

California was almost empty when it was annexed into the US. Disease etc. Immigration from the rest of the English-speaking US completely dwarfed what was left. Almost 100% of Spanish-speaking Californians have come in the past 50-70 years. Basically none have historical roots to California.

Not accurate. What is known as the American state of California was part of the state of Alta California in Mexico, which was annexed by the US during the Mexican American war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alta_California Years later, the Mexicans as well as their descendants, who were Americans by Jus soli (birthright citizenship) were ethnically cleansed during the Mexican Repatriation, where they were kidnapped…

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Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by slaw »

hot_gril wrote: post #166
thegrim33 wrote: post #122

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How many European countries can you list that have stricter immigration policies today than 20 or 30 or 50 years ago? I can't list a single one. How do you square this with your claim that right leaning ideology is "taking hold"? If anything the actual data points to massively loosened immigration laws and massively loosened penalties for choosing to evade immigration laws.

The right-leaning side is taking hold very recently, is what he probably means.

I can't list a single right-leaning European country government.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by bugglebeetle »

slaw wrote: post #183
hot_gril wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The right-leaning side is taking hold very recently, is what he probably means.

I can't list a single right-leaning European country government.

Hungary, Poland?

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by mecsred »

cinntaile wrote: post #104
mecsred wrote: post #52

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What do you mean it "doesn't hint at that"? You're discussing the words that convey exactly that information? It's verbatim from the first paragraph in the article. > Nearly half of all Californians speak a language other than English at home, data from the U.S. Census Bureau shows.

Indeed they speak a language other than English at home, so not English. But people reply to my comment claiming this means that they also speak English at home. Where do people read that? Edit: It's a bit ironic I get downvoted for mentioning the strange wording, but clearly we don't agree on what it's supposed to mean.

Ok I understand your confusion. It isn't explicitly stated, it's just implied. "Speak a non-English language at home" implies some families still speaking English at home as well because that's the most general case that is logically consistent. Otherwise you would say "Do not speak English at home" to narrow it down.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by locococo »

bugglebeetle wrote: post #149
morbicer wrote: post #141

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I am risking getting flagged to oblivion but I perceive that there are immigrants that integrate better than others. Asians and south Americans integrate well. Not just in USA, in Europe as well. My country accepted over 500k of Ukrainian refugees into population of just 10m. They integrate outstandingly. I am not one of the haters that would claim that immigrants are "ruining our culture" but I see issues. Example:…

I’m not going to flag or downvote you, but this is a very typical European mentality. We have large numbers of immigrants from the places you cite and they integrate fine. I think there are ~1 million people of Middle Eastern descent in California and again, zero issues. At some point, people have to recognize it’s their own culture’s biases that create the social conditions that prevent integration and not the fault…

I grew up in Europe and it's not a European mentality issue. There are very serious social issues at play here.

Geographic proximity makes Europe a prime destination for all the people who don't have the means to immigrate to the US.

Europe has taken in many young men from war torn countries and those men have different standards that sometimes are not compatible with western standards.

You can be all high an mighty and cast blame. But the actual issue is that there are different economical sets of immigrants.

Europe has immigrant ghettos where police are too scared to even be present.

Obviously there are many great immigrants from all backgrounds that are trying to make a better live for themselves, but we can't deny that there are issues.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by 29athrowaway »

morbicer wrote: post #141
bugglebeetle wrote: post #32

Whenever I see Europeans railing about the destruction of their cultures by small number of immigrants, I want to point to California and be like “you’re doing it wrong.” Pretty much within one generation, everyone here is bilingual, fully integrated, we all enjoy each others company, culture and food etc.

I am risking getting flagged to oblivion but I perceive that there are immigrants that integrate better than others. Asians and south Americans integrate well. Not just in USA, in Europe as well. My country accepted over 500k of Ukrainian refugees into population of just 10m. They integrate outstandingly. I am not one of the haters that would claim that immigrants are "ruining our culture" but I see issues. Example:…

Most people in America are against radical Islam.

The problem is the false dichotomy that because one side is wrong the other one is right. In reality, both sides in the conflict have done wrong, before and during the conflict.

We can all agree that killing an infant or toddler is universally wrong. And under that definition they're both wrong. Excuses just makes it worse.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by justrealist »

stmichel wrote: post #173
justrealist wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody has any connection to the land, people are not plants.

So if you get shipped to Turkmenistan tomorrow that wouldn't be a problem right?

There are a lot of open questions here but yes I hope my kids and grandkids would be afforded the same rights as native Turkmen.

Re: Almost half of Californians speak a non-English language at home

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Post by tibbydudeza »

I grew up in a non-English suburb and household - we had it as a mandatory subject in school but my conversational skills was zero and my accent was terrible to boot.

It helped that I read a lot of English books so that helped when I attended an English only university and speaking for the first time when I turned 18.

There was TV but most programs were dubbed - think The Cosby Show, Dallas and Archie Bunker, The Bob Newhart Show, Happy Days was the only English ones we watched.

The Waltons was dubbed though.

Boy was that difficult in the first year - surrounded by English only speakers from a different culture to boot , so I kept a lot to myself and did not engage with anybody.

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