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Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Ok. Goodbye chrome. I will be switching to whatever privacy-focused browser allows me to keep not seeing ads. I do wonder how long it will be before we see browser browsers, software that takes a browser instance and sanitizes it. Maybe chrome will continue as a daemon allowed to run inside a sandbox within a browser's browser that actually displays content to a human.

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Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

#182

Can anyone explain why there isn't a robust and thriving adblocking solution available at the router or OS level? Why are we all forced to grasp at the straws of the browser?

If the ads are hosted from the same domain or even same IP as the main web content, this is hard to do. Done effectively, it's not possible to distinguish ads from the wanted content without inspecting the web content.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Does Google have veto power over what goes into Chromium? I had always assumed the relationship between Chromium and Google was akin to the relationship between Webkit and Apple, or between any ASF-donated project and its corporate originator: a community-owned (and several-major-corporate-stakeholders sponsored) open-source project upstream, with a corporate closed-source "living patchset" project sitting downstream…

As far as Microsoft is concerned, they're large enough to fork Chromium if they wanted to, just like how Google forked Webkit into Blink. Every other organization that ships a Chromium-based browser is fully at Google's mercy; Google holds the keys to the kingdom: https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/src/

Microsoft maintained their own browser engine for decades, they had good reasons to drop them - I'm not even sure if there would be enough staff left there to actually be able to keep up with Chromium in a fork.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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It doesn’t support extensions though. I think only Orion supports extensions on iPhone.

Safari itself supports extensions

Not Firefox and Chrome extensions though, only a much more limited selection

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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So, manifest v3 is out there, and does allow some form of adblocking. are there any adblockers actually implemented with it, so i can see for myself what the adblocking performance is like?

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin...

uBO Lite (uBOL) is a permission-less MV3-based content blocker.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

#187

Can anyone explain why there isn't a robust and thriving adblocking solution available at the router or OS level? Why are we all forced to grasp at the straws of the browser?

AdGuard is pretty good. but it's not free, and the browser extensions are.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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> Can someone give an example of what a good number would be? How many dynamic rules are currently used? uBlock's built in list has 47,000 EasyList has 75,000 EasyPrivacy has 31,000 Fanboy's List is 78,000 Basically none of the major lists fit inside this quantity.

Thanks. Has Google explained why the limit is so low? This doesn't seem like it would be super useful to an attacker, or meaningful for performance to change to, say, 150k. They've already raised it.

EasyList has become bloated with many rules being outdated or invalid. It's a system where rules are added at a much faster rate than they're removed. It's not like there's test suites or anything to shake loose old rules, so it only ever grows.

Checking 150K rules once wouldn't be a problem, but if you have to do that for 50 network requests on every single page load, that adds up. So the hope, as I understand it, is to set a ceiling to encourage developers to keep more up-to-date lists by pruning old and outdated rules. This prevents a situation where browser performance slowly degrades.

I'd like to see a system where users opt-in to allow ad blockers to collect metrics on which rules are actually applying, and have them occasionally trim anything under 0.01% usage. Which sounds like a small number, but should capture the majority of dead or unused rules. Of course, that would require a new browser API in a declarative system.

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

#189

So, manifest v3 is out there, and does allow some form of adblocking. are there any adblockers actually implemented with it, so i can see for myself what the adblocking performance is like?

Sure, there's uBlock Origin Lite https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home

Re: Chrome pushes forward with plans to limit ad blockers in the future

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Ok. Goodbye chrome. I will be switching to whatever privacy-focused browser allows me to keep not seeing ads. I do wonder how long it will be before we see browser browsers, software that takes a browser instance and sanitizes it. Maybe chrome will continue as a daemon allowed to run inside a sandbox within a browser's browser that actually displays content to a human.

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