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After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Yup. People always complain that the AppleTV is too expensive vs the competition, but stuff like this is exactly why.

lol... give it time. Apple does NOT miss a nickel.

The original Apple TV was released in 2007, over sixteen years ago.

How much time should we give it?

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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You're making the mistake of assuming the ad is for the best offer you'd be interested in instead of the one that makes the most money from you (i.e. the worst one for you). The expected utility to you is negative.

> You're making the mistake of assuming the ad is for the best offer you'd be interested in instead of the one that makes the most money from you (i.e. the worst one for you) You are making the mistake of thinking that this is a zero-sum game. The product that makes the most money is not necessarily the worst one, it might actually just be one with higher margins or even an actually superior product that just lacks m…

Markets like Amazon are already full of people who will sell the exact same product with a computer generated brand name at slightly different markup. Even "trustworthy" brands do this kind of thing, and have for a long time. A system that knows everything about you (their goal) and tailors ads to you (or manipulates your ability to find offers) will inevitably converge on something that sells you the same thing, but at the maximum price you can be expected to be duped into.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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You'll be happy to know we're not wasting it. We use that TV frequently.

I understand, but when you describe your TV as a cheap consumable not worth being careful with, be prepared to trigger some emotional reactions with people who are concerned about the environment.

You're being overly confrontational over a very minor issue. There are much more effective ways to advocate for the environment.

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I'd much rather my ads be targeted than generic. It increases value on both sides here. Comparing against the baseline of terrestrial broadcast, this is a far better experience than before.

You're making the mistake of assuming the ad is for the best offer you'd be interested in instead of the one that makes the most money from you (i.e. the worst one for you). The expected utility to you is negative.

>You're making the mistake of assuming the ad is for the best offer you'd be interested in instead of the one that makes the most money from you (i.e. the worst one for you). The expected utility to you is negative.

A customer buying something isn't a zero-sum transaction. My default assumption is that the product that stands to make the most money from me is the one that would most benefit me. For example, the grocery store sells apples, which I love, and chicken gizzards, which I don't love. The product which I want most (apples) will stand to make the most money from me. If I didn't know that apples were for sale near me, or that a particular store had particularly delicious apples, I would benefit from that and so would they after I spent my money on them. Win-win, not zero-sum.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Honestly, that's what you get for not buying a cheap pc that can be hooked to any screen. It's easier, cheaper, and you don't have to deal with "apps". I am continuously amazed HTPCs are losing ground to commercial setups that are objectively worse by any conceivable metric. No, dealing with "apps" is not simpler.

Seriously! I can't reproduce the general complaint with Kodi on Linux. The end game was always going to be enshittification with these surveillance ecosystems offering throwaway devices. Yet people still keep telling themselves excuses to take the Faustian bargain - that figuring out something non-corporate is too hard, that this other brand will be different, that they can avoid the worst of it with various workarounds etc. Meanwhile once you set them up, the libre options just carry on working as society used to expect from appliances.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Chromecast as well. Everything shall be enshittified.

Chromecast has ads now? I just bought one because it was cheaper to buy a new chromecast 4k plus ethernet adapter, than replace my apple tv remote

I never see ads on chromecast unless I'm using an application that has ads, e.g. youtube without premium

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Yup. People always complain that the AppleTV is too expensive vs the competition, but stuff like this is exactly why.

I’ve had Roku, FireTV, and Chromecast, and I have had hdcp and/or performance issues with everything but Apple TV. I hate that I’ve turned into something of an fanboy but Apple TV follows the same old story from Apple: expensive but it consistently just works.

I'm using Roku everywhere at this point and haven't run into any issues. Big fan.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

#188
I bought a dumb TV from Walmart a few months ago (65" 4K). The brand is Sceptre.

Picture quality is pretty much the same as any other 4K TV that you will get for I am not the kind of person that is willing to spend $1000+ on a TV and I don't expect to get the same audio/video quality as that kind of TV will offer. But at my all-in price of about $500, it is outstanding package. We've got an AppleTV, a Wii-U, and a DVD player hooked up to it, as well as an OTA antenna. Our total usage is probably around 5 hours a week, and I can't complain at all. No menu lag, no long boot up, no advertising, etc. Highly recommended.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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You're making the mistake of assuming the ad is for the best offer you'd be interested in instead of the one that makes the most money from you (i.e. the worst one for you). The expected utility to you is negative.

You're missing an important nuance. The best advertisement is for a product that, in expectation , makes the most money from me. My relative interest is still important, and you can't just jump from the fact that somebody is making money to the unfounded claim that the "expected utility is negative." When I buy an item I'm making a decision that the marginal value of that item to me is worth more than the marginal co…

You assume that they value longterm profits over shortterm ones.

Re: After luring customers with low prices, Amazon stuffs Fire TVs with ads

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Don't worry, smartphones will begin to fill the gaps, we pay for them, but the Industry does whatever it wants with them. In about a year, we may well have to watch 2 ads before making phone calls with the way things are going, while we of course pay even higher fees for mobile service (of course).

maybe on an android device but this is unheard of in the Apple ecosystem

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