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How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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One of the top comments on the YouTube video attached to the article talks about how someone wasted their 20s working as the founding engineer (employee #6 of a 6-person startup) and when the company exited for $100 MM, they only got 100k and are still working at 40 years of age while the other 5, presumably having cofounder-level equity, are retired. This is the true risk of startups, and, if you're looking to maxim…

One thing people need to remember is the world runs on incentives. And on this topic, there is a HUGE incentive to mislead people. The facts are: 1) Tech startups usually need a bunch of good engineers 2) Investors and founders want these engineers for as little money as possible, as almost every owner-labor relationship in history has gone 3) Stock options have mystique from once-in-a-lifetime companies like Google…

This is a good article on the ergodicity argument for VCs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37869760

Basically, VCs optimize for many small bets, ie investing in many, many companies where only one needs to hit it big in order to recoup the investment cost, while startups focus only on their own success, so it's in the VCs' best interest to sell the dream of working on or at a startup, thereby increasing VCs' own success without necessarily materially affecting the success of the startup itself.

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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It's funny that YC is posting this video, because as far as I can tell, YC teaches its founders to keep most of the equity for themselves, and dole out as little equity as possible to their employees. Back during the dotcom days, most employees, from secretaries to engineers, got extremely rich from options when the company IPOed. These days, in order to make a life-changing amount of money at a YC startup as an empl…

> the company needs to exit/IPO at over $5 billion in order to make about $1 million I just don't understand who's signing a contract for 0.02% equity in a startup. How does this happen?

Dilution, they don’t start with 0,02%

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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post #179

One of the top comments on the YouTube video attached to the article talks about how someone wasted their 20s working as the founding engineer (employee #6 of a 6-person startup) and when the company exited for $100 MM, they only got 100k and are still working at 40 years of age while the other 5, presumably having cofounder-level equity, are retired. This is the true risk of startups, and, if you're looking to maxim…

> the YouTube video attached to the article Which article? The two sentences below the video pointing you to watch the episode, did I miss something?

Yes, my mistake, I just meant the page itself when I said "article," not that there is any extra material information besides the couple of sentences.

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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One of the top comments on the YouTube video attached to the article talks about how someone wasted their 20s working as the founding engineer (employee #6 of a 6-person startup) and when the company exited for $100 MM, they only got 100k and are still working at 40 years of age while the other 5, presumably having cofounder-level equity, are retired. This is the true risk of startups, and, if you're looking to maxim…

Keep in mind it's not just the percentage, but whether it will be possible to keep any of it.

I've done five startups now and my conclusion is I'll only consider joining a startup at two points:

In the beginning, when the share valuation is less than a penny. The valuation is low, do an early exercise of all shares up front and file an 83b. Now, as you vest, you actually own the shares. So you can leave the company in the future and keep all your so-far vested shares.

Or, late in the startup cycle when the company is already well-known and very clearly on the IPO path.

Anywhere between these points is not worth it. The valuation will be too high to early exercise so may lose everything but the probability of success will be too low to take the risk.

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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post #149

One of the top comments on the YouTube video attached to the article talks about how someone wasted their 20s working as the founding engineer (employee #6 of a 6-person startup) and when the company exited for $100 MM, they only got 100k and are still working at 40 years of age while the other 5, presumably having cofounder-level equity, are retired. This is the true risk of startups, and, if you're looking to maxim…

Been working at startups on and off for over 20 years. In total I've spent more money on stock options than I've made from them.

Nailed it.

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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post #91

After having worked at four startups, including two as CTO, I have zero remaining equity or financial upside from any of the startup equity. This is the bitter take away, your equity will most likely amount to nothing unless the company is on a clear path to IPO/ acquisition or a promise of share buy back during the time you're at the company. This is a higher bar than simple profitability. The reason you work at a s…

4. You'd like to work on advanced technology without a "PhD from CMU". Think CockroachDB, Druid/Imply, StarTree/Trino, ClickHouse (Hadoop/Cloudera a long time ago, Spark/Databricks when it was much smaller).

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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post #87

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Not all smart people have a desire to be parasites that are paid several times more than they're worth by a dysfunctional system.

Who decides what they’re worth?

> Who decides what they’re worth?

The poster above you; they're the one who made an implicit claim about the value of software developers' work. You're welcome to disagree. Do you think everyone is paid fairly?

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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Thx, I just learned about Type A / Type B thanks to you mentioning this

Maybe you'd find the Big Five personality model interesting as well (if you haven't seen), in particular assertiveness vs agreeableness

Thanks. I have some experience with Big Five and MBTI, but I’m not satisfied with them since they are too general in what they describe and also they’re not scientific enough imho. I’d be happy to see more rigorous research in this area because it could be both useful for self-development and it sometimes might help to understand oneself as well. And it’s also fun to do these assessments :p

I’m curious of your take on these tests

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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As a higher income earner I've always found it important to spend the money to ask a Lawyer, CPA, second Doctor, Mentor, Coache, Inspector, and other people focused on a certain niche in life what they think for the $100/hr (or whatever) fee they charge. Always been worth it. If you're focused on tech, make sure you've hired the right people to review your NDA's, startup contract, new home purchase, or workout routin…

I like the mention of a workout routine. Trainers/physical therapists can help to figure out issues with your body and give you a list of stretches/exercises to help with it.

I've spent my fair share of getting injured through lifting and each time I've bounced back because a video that a PT has shared has a patient with the same exact issue as me.

I wonder how many injuries I could've avoided if I actually set up a session haha.

Re: How to Not Get Screwed over as a Software Engineer [video]

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post #157

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That is part of the hero narrative that I am also lamenting. If there are 100 possible research directions and only 1 proves successful. The people who travel along the other 99 get no recognition, despite expending the same effort and despite their contribution being just as important.

Most seeds never germinate, and of those that do, most never amount to much. Such is life.

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