The most important question for me: did it stop inventing facts?
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We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
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#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.
> I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally. This is my best guess as well, they are rocketing down the interstate at 200mph and just trying to keep the wheels on the car. When you're absolutely killing it I guess making X% more by being better at messaging just isn't worth it since to do that you'd have to take someone off something potentially more critic…
> When you're absolutely killing it
Aren't they unprofitable? and have fierce competition from everyone?
Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
What LLMs have made me realize more than anything is that we just don't care that much the information we receive being completely factual. I have tried to use it many times to learn a topic, and my experience has been that it is either frustratingly vague or incorrect. It's not a tool that I can completely add to my workflow until it is reliable, but I seem to be the odd one out.
> What LLMs have made me realize more than anything is that we just don't care that much the information we receive being completely factual. I find this highly concerning but I feel similar. Even "smart people" I work with seem to have gulped down the LLM cool aid because it's convenient and it's "cool". Sometimes I honestly think: "just surrender to it all, believe in all the machine tells you unquestionably, forge…
Ignorance is Strength
Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#184My biggest complaint with OpenAI/ChatGPT is their horrible "marketing" (for lack of a better term). They announce stuff like this (or like plugins), I get excited, I go to use it, it hasn't rolled out to me yet (which is frustrating as a paying customer), and my only recourse is.... check back daily? They never send an email "Plugins are available for you!", "Voice chat is now enabled on your account!" and so often I…
First of all, I understand what you're saying. Communication is important. I just think it's funny to ever talk about "lack of communication". All I want is for businesses to stop communicating with me. Even better if I don't have to ask (unsubscribe).
That's fair, I completely understand where you are coming from. From a growth/money-making perspective it'd be smart to message customers about new features but table stakes would be something like:
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Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#185This is the dagger that will make online schooling unviable. ChatGPT already made it so that you could easily copy & paste any full-text questions and receive an answer with 90% accuracy. The only flaw was that problems that also used diagrams or figures would be out of the domain of ChatGPT. With image support, students could just take screenshots or document scans and have ChatGPT give them a valid answer. From wha…
It would be sufficient to do exams in person and no longer grade homework.
Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
What LLMs have made me realize more than anything is that we just don't care that much the information we receive being completely factual. I have tried to use it many times to learn a topic, and my experience has been that it is either frustratingly vague or incorrect. It's not a tool that I can completely add to my workflow until it is reliable, but I seem to be the odd one out.
> What LLMs have made me realize more than anything is that we just don't care that much the information we receive being completely factual. I find this highly concerning but I feel similar. Even "smart people" I work with seem to have gulped down the LLM cool aid because it's convenient and it's "cool". Sometimes I honestly think: "just surrender to it all, believe in all the machine tells you unquestionably, forge…
> just surrender to it all, believe in all the machine tells you unquestionably, forget the fact checking, it feels good to be ignorant... it will be fine...
It's the same issue with Google Search, any web page, or, heck, any book. Fact checking gets you only so far. You need critical thinking. It's okay to "learn" wrong facts from time to time as long as you are willing to be critical and throw the ideas away if they turn out to be wrong. I think this Popperian view is much more useful than living with the idea that you can only accept information that is provably true. Life is too short to verify every fact. Most things outside programming are not even verifiable anyway. By the time that Steve Jobs would have "verified" that the iPhone was certainly a good idea to pursue, Apple might have been bankrupt. Or in the old days, by the time you have verified that there is a tiger in the bush, it has already eaten you.
Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#187This announcement seem to have killed so many startups that were trying to do multi-modal on top of ChatGPT. The way it's progressing with solving use cases with images and voice, not too far when it might be the 'one app to rule them all'. I can already see "Alexa/Siri/Google Home" replacement, "Google Image Search" replacement, ed-tech startups that were solving problems with AI using by taking a photo are also doo…
Not only "Alexa/Siri/Google Home" but Google Search [ALL] itself. Google was a pioneer in search engines adding a page ranking / graph layers as a meaning but technologies such as ChatGPT could add a real layer of meaning, at least improve current Google Search approach. The future of search seems more conversational and contextual.
BTW, I expect these technologies to be democratized and the training be in the hands of more people, if not everyone.
Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#188My biggest complaint with OpenAI/ChatGPT is their horrible "marketing" (for lack of a better term). They announce stuff like this (or like plugins), I get excited, I go to use it, it hasn't rolled out to me yet (which is frustrating as a paying customer), and my only recourse is.... check back daily? They never send an email "Plugins are available for you!", "Voice chat is now enabled on your account!" and so often I…
They have gone from being a niche research company to being (probably) the fastest growing start-up in history. I suspect they do care about communicating with customers, but it's total chaos and carnage internally.
> fastest growing start-up in history.
What are some metrics that justify this claim?
Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The only downside is that it now make me feel bad that I'm not doing anything with it yet. If that's the only downside that you see... I guess enhanced phishing/impersonation and all the blackhat stuff that come with it don't count. I for one already miss the time where companies had support teams made of actual people.
I work as a ethical hacker, so I'm well aware of the phishing and impersonation possibilities. But the net positive is so, so much bigger for society that I'm sure we'll figure it out. And yes, in 20 years you can tell your kids that 'back in my day' support consisted of real people. But truthfully, as someone who worked on a ISP helpdesk it's much better for society if these people move on to more productive areas.
> But truthfully, as someone who worked on a ISP helpdesk it's much better for society if these people move on to more productive areas.
But is it, though? I started my career in customer support for a server hosting company, and eventually worked my way up to sysadmin-type work. I would not have been qualified for the position I eventually moved to at the start, I learned on the job. Is it really better for society if all these entry level jobs get automated, leaving only those with higher barriers to entry?
Re: We are beginning to roll out new voice and image capabilities in ChatGPT
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
I still don't understand how you can talk to something that doesn't provide factual information and just take it at face value? The other day I asked it about the place I live and it made up nonsense, I was trying to get it to help me with an essay and it was just wrong, it was telling me things about this region that weren't real. Do we just drive through a town, ask for a made up history about it and just be satisf…
Joe Rogan has made tons of money off talking without providing factual information. Hollywood has also made tons of money off movies "inspired by real events" that hallucinate key facts relevant to the movie's plot and characters. There's a huge market for infotainment that is "inspired by facts" but doesn't even try to be accurate.
OpenAI isn't marketing ChatGPT as, "infotainment."