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Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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No, even if it happened to me it would not be relevant for the vast majority.

The point is that it could happen to anyone, if their choice of connectivity arrangements make it possible, so it is a relevant concern for everyone when planning such connectivity arrangements (whether or not they care about the implications of it potentially happening to you, me, or anyone else).

No, it could not happen to anyone, for a whole host of reasons…

A number that rounds to zero in the 21st century is the number of people who have been randomly cancelled. You can disagree that it is proportionate to their offense, but z e r o people were just sitting around and woke up a) in the public eye and b) were completely and entirely good people who were maligned needlessly in a permanent way.

It is in no way a real concern for 99.9999999% of people.

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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Disks don’t always have a readonly switch these days, though I do still miss the physical notch on floppy disks, and no third-party auditing could exist for proving that switch to be set correctly.

No third-party auditing could exist that proves you only have RAM in the system and don't have a secret disk in there with a magnetic reed switch in-line with the SATA power cable such that without sticking a magnet on the case the disk doesn't show up. Or that you aren't booting off a USB drive that you plug in only after the auditors leave. Third-party audits are a scam to begin with and don't prove anything.

If they claim that they possess no data, and after some years and some nontrivial attempts no one has succeeded in extracting data from them, that is not nothing, even if it is not proof.

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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The point is that it could happen to anyone, if their choice of connectivity arrangements make it possible, so it is a relevant concern for everyone when planning such connectivity arrangements (whether or not they care about the implications of it potentially happening to you, me, or anyone else).

No, it could not happen to anyone, for a whole host of reasons… A number that rounds to zero in the 21st century is the number of people who have been randomly cancelled. You can disagree that it is proportionate to their offense, but z e r o people were just sitting around and woke up a) in the public eye and b) were completely and entirely good people who were maligned needlessly in a permanent way. It is in no way…

> but z e r o people were just sitting around and woke up a) in the public eye … who were maligned needlessly

Demonstrably false. There are a significant number of individual cases I could mention off the top of my head. If you want a whole bag of them to look at in one go, read up on the NOTW “name and shame” campaign which resulted in numerous entirely spurious accusations, and actual vigilante attacks as well as legal investigations. The court of public option can be a concern for all.

> b) were completely and entirely good people

On a slightly more facetious note: if anyone claims to be absolutely 100% totally good, someone somewhere will disagree :)

There is no objective definition of good that all will agree on, and even if there are none of us are perfect our entire lives.

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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No, it could not happen to anyone, for a whole host of reasons… A number that rounds to zero in the 21st century is the number of people who have been randomly cancelled. You can disagree that it is proportionate to their offense, but z e r o people were just sitting around and woke up a) in the public eye and b) were completely and entirely good people who were maligned needlessly in a permanent way. It is in no way…

> but z e r o people were just sitting around and woke up a) in the public eye … who were maligned needlessly Demonstrably false. There are a significant number of individual cases I could mention off the top of my head. If you want a whole bag of them to look at in one go, read up on the NOTW “name and shame” campaign which resulted in numerous entirely spurious accusations, and actual vigilante attacks as well as l…

Yeah, the fact that you can’t realize your example still rounds to zero is kind of sad, honestly.

Nobody has been cancelled randomly, and I genuinely pity people who go through life fearful such a thing could happen to them.

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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https://www.assured.se/publications/Assured_Mullvad_relay_se... Honestly I don’t think audits are worth anything. But it’d be a huge conspiracy to mess with so many parties.

Audits are IMO worthwhile, but end users should be aware of the scope of an audit. In the context of commercial VPN providers, it's usually just a code security audit -- are there any memory leaks? Is sensitive data being passed around a little bit too loosely? Is there some way for unprivileged users to gain privilege escalation by crafting a malicious request against one of your services? In this sense, they're val…

Honestly, this audit from Mullvad is showing some really rookie mistakes.

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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> but z e r o people were just sitting around and woke up a) in the public eye … who were maligned needlessly Demonstrably false. There are a significant number of individual cases I could mention off the top of my head. If you want a whole bag of them to look at in one go, read up on the NOTW “name and shame” campaign which resulted in numerous entirely spurious accusations, and actual vigilante attacks as well as l…

Yeah, the fact that you can’t realize your example still rounds to zero is kind of sad, honestly. Nobody has been cancelled randomly, and I genuinely pity people who go through life fearful such a thing could happen to them.

Having had something similar (though not as serious) happen to someone I know, I very much envy your bliss.

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

#187

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Yeah, the fact that you can’t realize your example still rounds to zero is kind of sad, honestly. Nobody has been cancelled randomly, and I genuinely pity people who go through life fearful such a thing could happen to them.

Having had something similar (though not as serious) happen to someone I know, I very much envy your bliss.

The fact that even your personal anecdote isn't "as serious" kind of proves my point...

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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No, it isn't. It's pretending that "no comment" means something it doesn't. Just because you want it to mean "yes" doesn't mean it means that . It means "we are not going to comment on this, because we have a sane legal department and we're not going to give you any information one way or another". If you think "no comment" means either yes or no, you're pretending to know something you don't, and you should absolute…

Huh? You're the one that said no comment was suspicious! I said something weaker than that, that it's not very suspicious. I'm not the one that said a canary failing is a yes. I said it was significantly more suspicious than a no comment.

Yes, I was the one saying that _people_ consider it suspicious, but I'm also the one saying that as a company your only course of action is to not comment on legal matters unless legally compelled to. Those two things are not mutually exclusive. People (in aggregate) don't act rationally, so even if it's going to lose you some customers, no comment.

Re: We have successfully completed our migration to RAM-only VPN infrastructure

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Having had something similar (though not as serious) happen to someone I know, I very much envy your bliss.

The fact that even your personal anecdote isn't "as serious" kind of proves my point...

I subbed my toe today. Didn't break it. Therefore nobody ever gets a broken toe?…
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