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Post by rvcdbn »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #150

There is some discussion around cannabis bans and their causes in their thread. One aspect that isn’t discussed much but could be very relevant to differing opinions here is that different people respond incredibly differently to marijuana. Some people experience various, mostly mild, forms of cognitive impairment such as sleepiness, thinking everything is funny, and memory issues. Other people seem to enter a state…

wow I’ve never heard it put like that but that’s exactly it! I definitely have the second type of reaction. It really feels like short-term hypomania (have some experience with that too).

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Post by bumby »

batch12 wrote: post #161
bumby wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My first Google search on CBD risks refer to liver toxicity, both by itself and with interactions with other substances.

My first google search shows articles that discuss zero risk.

Mine are from sources like the FDA, WHO, and CDC.

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Post by eep_social »

thsksbd wrote: post #87
eep_social wrote: post #65

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I was going over the top because gp is insinuating a moral argument rather than a health argument based on their interpretation of a bad headline. Cannabis Use Disorder is not the same as occasionally puffing a doobie with Alice on the weekend. > Caffeine starts off as a physical addiction unlike marijuana. Caffeine also does not require a lot of use from the substance in order to become physically addicted, unlike m…

And aside from the jitters, what harm does caffeine cause? Does it cause break downs in families and car fatalities like alcohol? Does it trigger latent schizophrenia in susceptible individuals like canabis? Does it create zombies like whatever it is they're consuming in San Fran?

If you had read my comment and wanted to engage, the answer was right there:

> physical addiction.. withdrawal

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Post by marcod »

senttoschool wrote: post #94
jliptzin wrote: post #62

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With all due respect, your inability to use marijuana responsibly should not make my responsible marijuana usage illegal.

With all due respect, I was a responsible user for the first year too. Good luck to you and I hope you never get addicted. Unlike alcohol addiction, which can come on fast, weed grabs a hold of you over a longer period. It starts out as only beneficial with little to no downside. You won't notice you're addicted until much later. Also, I find your decision to call the plant marijuana interesting. The names weed and p…

> Also, I find your decision to call the plant marijuana interesting. The names weed and pot have a negative connotation. But "marijuana" sounds a lot more acceptable. Nothing to do with you. Just something I noticed.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jan/29/marijuana-na...

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

jalino23 wrote: post #157
manicennui wrote: post #149

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I learned a new word: labile. "Apt or likely to change."

I didnt know that word before reading this too. is it grammatically correct to say "there is nothing more non-labile than a temporary code"

The opposite of labile is stabile.

Probably a more common context for these words to occur is medicine, or more broadly toxicology, where you might have heard:

Heat labile vs heat stabile

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Post by wyclif »

mvdtnz wrote: post #56
01100011 wrote: post #22

Obviously people with mental discomfort are more likely to seek comfort in mind altering substances. That said, as someone who is bipolar, has bipolar friends and has used cannabis for a significant portion of my half-century on Earth, cannabis usage is proportional to mood instability in myself and my friends. I have taken extensive breaks and noticed I am much more mentally resilient and less emotionally labile whe…

> Obviously people with mental discomfort are more likely to seek comfort in mind altering substances. This can be true at the same time that cannabis use disorder increases the likelihood of mental illness is true. These are not mutually exclusive.

You just nailed the paradox at the heart of much cannabis legalization discourse. I don't think the general public understands the "not mutually exclusive" point.

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Post by aurareturn »

danenania wrote: post #179
senttoschool wrote: post #91

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Well, I wouldn't have been strongly anti recreational use if I didn't go through what I did. Extremely high THC products coupled with professional marketing agencies? Yikes. We're going to have a weed epidemic soon. Maybe it's a silent epidemic now.

If we have a weed epidemic then we certainly have an alcohol epidemic too, as well as an obesity epidemic, as well as a traffic accident epidemic, and so on. Making everything that can be harmful to some subset of the population illegal is not the way to deal with these issues. It's reductio ad absurdum into a totalitarian nanny state that literally controls your diet and makes you drive 25 mph on the highway. It's n…

There are a few issues with what you're saying.

1. Weed has a mostly benign image right now. It has good PR.

2. It's much harder to realize that you're addicted to weed - unlike alcohol. Alcohol addiction is obvious to people around you as well. Not weed. Many weed addicts do not have the self awareness.

3. Weed can be significantly cheaper than alcohol per session - thus consuming more is economical for many. A few drinks at a bar could cost you $100 vs eat a weed gummy for $2 and then go out.

4. Weed addiction takes place over a long period of time. It could take years before you realize the negative effects. It's obvious for alcohol immediately.

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Post by TheCleric »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #150

There is some discussion around cannabis bans and their causes in their thread. One aspect that isn’t discussed much but could be very relevant to differing opinions here is that different people respond incredibly differently to marijuana. Some people experience various, mostly mild, forms of cognitive impairment such as sleepiness, thinking everything is funny, and memory issues. Other people seem to enter a state…

And for some of us it just causes horrible anxiety.

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Post by thsksbd »

eep_social wrote: post #183
thsksbd wrote: post #87

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And aside from the jitters, what harm does caffeine cause? Does it cause break downs in families and car fatalities like alcohol? Does it trigger latent schizophrenia in susceptible individuals like canabis? Does it create zombies like whatever it is they're consuming in San Fran?

If you had read my comment and wanted to engage, the answer was right there: > physical addiction.. withdrawal

You want to compare a day with a bad headache from caffeine withdrawal to the devastation caused by schizophrenia? To car crashes?

And who are coffee's non-using victims? Co-workers putting up with Mr. Grouchie for a day or two?

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Post by candiddevmike »

aurareturn wrote: post #156
newsclues wrote: post #95

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Do your views on smoking cannabis apply to alcohol as well? Or do you adapt a more reasonable appropriate time and place for that type of drug? I not sure if it hurts peoples ability to learn, even if some people have some memory impairment. But cannabis and other drugs change the way people think, and that can be good or bad depending on many factors. Have people created great creative works under the influence of c…

It's easier to get addicted to weed than alcohol in my opinion. Alcohol addiction is very noticeable. People around you also notice. Alcohol will destroy both your mind and body. You're much more likely to be aware that you're addicted to alcohol than weed. Weed addiction is slower. It starts out as only beneficial - until it isn't. Weed will only affect your mind. Unlike alcohol, it won't directly do physical harm t…

You're painting with a pretty broad brush there. What's so bad about being lazy? What's wrong with eating certain kinds of food?

What are your thoughts on coffee/caffeine addiction?

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