> Landis saw and did something that he has kept secret for six decades, he says now. He claims he spotted a bullet resting on the top of the back of the seat. He says he picked it up, put it in his pocket, and brought it into the hospital. Then, upon entering Trauma Room No. 1 (at that stage, he was the only nonmedical person in the room besides Mrs. Kennedy, and both stayed for only a short period), he insists, he p…
Crazy that he chose to keep this secret for six decades. I wonder what possible reason he could have to bring it up now. Hmm, hmm, hmm.
New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
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Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#182I don't understand why regular people care about this. If it was a conspiracy then some elite was killed by other elites. Conspiracies to kill relatively powerless people seems more interesting to me because it's The Man vs. the everyman.
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#183Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…
For the experiment they had all the measurements and distances, detailed ballistic dummies (with bones and whatnot), positioned properly (the Governor was on a smaller, lower jump seat, and sitting below the President), and they shot from a tower.
They had the same rifle, though not the actual rifle, and they had period ammunition from the same lot that Oswald used. Who knows where they dug that up. I also can’t speak to the atmospheric conditions but those would affect accuracy, not impact.
Only thing hey didn’t mimic was the actual motion. It was a stationary shot.
Sorry to be graphic here, but as I recall this was the shot that hit The President in the throat, passed through him and continued on to hit the Governor, twice, I believe. Through his arm and into his leg.
And you know what?
They did it. They replicated the shot. Was it 100%? No. But I’d call it 90+%.
The damage to the dummies was very similar, including deflection off the bones. They recovered the bullet and it was not perfect, but it was in very good shape. It was simple ball ammunition and did not expand like modern bullets can.
It was, to me, a very convincing demonstration about how little magic was in the original bullet.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#184Not directly related to this article, but I found the lone gunman theory much easier to accept after visiting the museum in the former book depository in Dallas. You can look down onto the plaza from the exact spot Oswald shot from, and you can easily imagine how the bullet fired from there would go through JFK and into the governor sitting in front of him. Not that this proves anything, it was just a "oh, I can tang…
I had the opposite feeling. Looking from the window, to your left, a winding road. To your right, the freeway entrance. With a bolt action rifle, Oswald had to shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle, shoot, eject the casing, reload, acquire the target of an accelerating vehicle and fire again. One of the Marine Corps' top snipers said, "I can't do it." If he can't, how could Os…
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#185I don't understand why regular people care about this. If it was a conspiracy then some elite was killed by other elites. Conspiracies to kill relatively powerless people seems more interesting to me because it's The Man vs. the everyman.
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#186Even if Landis is being honest to the best of his ability, this account seems suspect for one simple reason: human memory is incredibly unreliable even in routine cases. Considering the stress and trauma around witnessing and being so close to an awful event like that, as well as the amount of time that has passed, I don't see how we can consider this story to be even remotely reliable. He may truly remember these ev…
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#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
> large organizations I don’t think large organisations can act in such a coordinated manner at all but they can be manipulated. Cartels with a lot to lose can take their secrets to the grave, in particular if their constituents have a lot to lose. Everyone else has “unfortunate accidents”.
So, just from the top of my head and rather recently: 1. the NSA lost all of its malwares/zero days to the Russians 2. The NSA lost a huge amount of documents detailing a large amount of their billion dollars sigint sources and tech catalog 3. China was able to steal US nuclear weapons design 4. The CIA itself lost its entire internal wiki 5. Top secret documents were on discord for over a month Yet somehow these omn…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Office_of_Personnel_Management...
Re: New JFK assassination revelation could upend the lone gunman theory
#188Even if Landis is being honest to the best of his ability, this account seems suspect for one simple reason: human memory is incredibly unreliable even in routine cases. Considering the stress and trauma around witnessing and being so close to an awful event like that, as well as the amount of time that has passed, I don't see how we can consider this story to be even remotely reliable. He may truly remember these ev…
However, upon reviewing the CCTV footage, it became clear that the whole incident, from bike arrival to employee emerging from behind the bin, lasted about 11 seconds.
The colleague was astounded to see the footage and couldn’t explain why he had felt it was so much longer.
I think there’s a good chance that stressful situations play havoc with human memory formation.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
Everyone knows that modern stealth aircraft looks like that, but that is not what has been causing the recent furor.
Furor which may well have been caused by unacknowledged aircraft like the above. But who knows, maybe an intelligence or sapience from another world just wants to confuse people, or something similar in the long probability tail of life experience in this universe.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is very close to my feeling on the matter, and if I remember correctly there was even a case of cover up related to the fact that he visited the embassies (which can also be interpreted as not wanting to divulge their intelligence sources). However, it seems like the well known facts about Oswald (the communist background) weren't a major issue at the time (at least from what I gathered), so maybe there wasn't a…
I do not think the soviets were involved, I think this is an extremely risky move no one would do. I do think there were probably fears it would be perceived as a foreign assassination which drove some actions in the US government. I was vague on that because my post was overlong already and I don't have a clue or guess about who (if anybody) was involved besides Oswald. But I agree with you: I cannot imagine that Kh…
There may be forensics technicalities that are hard to explain but it seems that in any event that is highly ‘investigated’ people find too many patterns in the noise (9/11 for example)
Like most of those Cold War events, these cover ups look more like protecting intelligence sources and blunders than some large overarching cabal