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How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by pizzafeelsright »

Transpire7487 wrote: post #169
pizzafeelsright wrote: post #108

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Working in the office or home my daily schedule was: Wake 4:45am Breakfast Work Play with kids while (slowly) teaching, working side projects. Eat and Post dinner tasks (bedtime stuff) Learn/Build for 15-60 minutes during wind down. Bed at 10pm Learning is done while at work, during naps, weekends. Working after work is possible. Having kids brings clarity to our priorities. Mine at the moment is to maximize peace an…

How can you work on side projects while playing with your kids? My kids get 100% of my attention because otherwise it ends up more like being 0%. I can’t learn the next whiz-bang framework while inventing storylines for plying with Batman figures or playing hide and seek.

Great question. I include them in the process. If I clean the garage I give them jobs.

I was cleaning the workbench and provided a few boxes of random screws, nails, nuts, and bolts - had him sort them by size and shape. This teaches pattern recognition, sorting methods, names of objects, function of objects, and fine motor skills. If I ask for a 10mm socket the 3 year old can identify it including telling me it is used for tightening bolts.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by xattt »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #155
mrweasel wrote: post #90

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Children are fun, but they will get in the way of productivity. Get up early, they learn that at get up as well. Trying to work in the evening, I'm getting to old to work past 20:00. Sadly my most productive time, the time where I feel like doing the most work, is between 13:30 and 18:00, which has a pretty big overlap with "picking up kids, getting dinner ready and other household chores".

> Sadly my most productive time, the time where I feel like doing the most work, is between 13:30 and 18:00, which has a pretty big overlap with "picking up kids, getting dinner ready and other household chores". Me too, I almost blurted out something like this to wife today - that I can't help it, my best hours seem to be between ~13:00 and 19:00, which is exactly the time that's torpedoed by a series of distractors…

Thank you for saying this out loud. I thought I was the only one.

I’m doing grad school right now, while working full-time while maintaining family responsibilities.

My ways of working and achieving during undergrad (mid-afternoon to late evening sessions) are not mapping well to grad studies. Getting up early is hap-hazard and working late at night leaves me dead tired for the next morning.

However, I’m glad that my kids are getting the best of me during my peak productivity time.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by teddyh »

bcrosby95 wrote: post #164
teddyh wrote: post #136

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A person’s “socioeconomic background” may dictate that they don’t have time to spend many of their vanishlingly rare non-working hours on being a teacher. I'm surprised to see you assume that everyone has this kind of time. I assure you that they do not.

Not everyone does but it's not something restricted to the rich like you said in your first comment. Growing up, my wife had a lot of help at home and she came from a middle class, dual income household. I came from an upper middle class household and my parents were so busy working so they could keep up with the Joneses that I never had any help whatsoever with my homework. I'm not going to deny that schools can pro…

> Not everyone does but it's not something restricted to the rich like you said in your first comment.

Very well; I grant it. Now, does that invalidate the rest of my point in any way? Some kids are still going to have a large advantage over other kids, whatever the cause. If teachers are aware of this, would this be a reasonable way for a teacher to handle education? To just dole out homework, and leave any help or not to the vagaries of chance depending on that kid’s home situation? And any kids getting help would probably getting this consistently over other kids, giving some a huge permanent advantage over a long period of time. Why would teachers do this? I chose, instead, to charitably assume that teachers meant for homework not to be done with assistance by parents or tutors. In which case “helping” would indeed be cheating.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by mock-possum »

Decabytes wrote: post #16

I’ve found that if I really want to learn something, I just get up an hour early, makes some coffee/tea and get to it. It’s the only thing I can control with any certainty. The quiet time while everyone is asleep provides a distraction free environment. I also like giving my most productive/energetic time to my own projects/learning, as opposed to work, but that is just me. After work time is for dinner, family, and…

Oh wow. If I’m trying to learn something, doing it first thing in the morning after I wake up, especially if I have to wake up early to do it, basically guarantees I will retain nothing.

Morning is a good time to be productive and creative, but to learn?? No way, not for me.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by unshavedyak »

badpun wrote: post #180
unshavedyak wrote: post #170

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Agreed, but who else can make that judgement? Certainly you can't accurately make blanket decisions for all children, right? Who is the last in line, the final judgement, then? No one is saying parents should hand-hold and hurt their children by way of robbing them of essential experiences. What i am saying, though, is that parents are the last-mile. The only ones who are ultimately responsible. It sounds like you're…

I am not advocating for any style of learning, I was merely responding to someone who said that it's constant help by parents is "more or less necessary in schools with large classes". I provided a counterpoint to that, citing myself as an example, and also giving the fact that most of the other children were like me (children helped by their parents were an exception), and we turned out perfectly fine.

So your reply is to counter children receiving "adequate attention" (to quote the reply you're referencing). Which is to say that you don't believe inadequate attention is a problem.. which by definition is inadequate.

However there is of course the important matter of what we, or parents, define as inadequate. You argue that children are fine to receive inadequate attention. which seems.. odd.

I also said nothing about "constant attention". Rather all i said was the more inadequate the attention, proportionally the more attention they're likely to receive at home. Which is a very reasonable statement, no?

Do you not expect parents to fill in where they feel their school is failing to teach?

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by ncruces »

BaseballPhysics wrote: post #166
ncruces wrote: post #161

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Wether you consider learning a hobby, a chore, or part of the job description, is entirely up to you, regardless of how close to the topic of paid work it is.

What? The things I may want to learn or do in service of a hobby or personal interest are very different from those topics relevant to my professional life, and the motivations and the value I get from it are entirely different as well. And this article is clearly written with a professional context in mind. Unless you think that when he mentioned how his "software developer colleagues often ask me where I do get all…

So the things you may want to learn are not job related. But maybe the things he wants to learn are.

I've certainly gone through periods where that happened, and others where it didn't.

I don't think it's correct to judge anyone for not wanting to do job related stuff out of the job, but neither is it correct to judge someone who's so interested in their work area that they spend their spare time learning more about it.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by teddyh »

hyggetrold wrote: post #132
teddyh wrote: post #115

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If parents “help” kids with homework, the teacher will get a misleading view of what the kid has learned and is capable of. Other kids, lacking this “help”, will get worse grades. If you want to argue that the teacher understands that parents are helping their kids with the homework, then: 1. Why aren’t teachers sending study aids, pedagogical material, etc. to the parents , on order to aid in the further education o…

How old are you, which country do you live in, and...do you yourself have children?

I don’t want to feed your Ad Hominem monster. Find some actual arguments in the debate as presented.

Re: How to find time to learn after work (2017)

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Post by hyggetrold »

teddyh wrote: post #187
hyggetrold wrote: post #132

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How old are you, which country do you live in, and...do you yourself have children?

I don’t want to feed your Ad Hominem monster. Find some actual arguments in the debate as presented.

You're funny. Good luck.
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