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ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by ben_w »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119
Gigachad wrote: post #106

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I'm almost hoping for some enshittification. It's so depressing seeing how many skills and jobs have been instantly devalued. Take a look at the artist communities and it's total depression that peoples life passion and source of income has just been deleted over the course of a few months. We aren't talking about burger flipping and checkout scanners. This is a creative pursuit which takes years of grinding to becom…

Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

> No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behind any of this tech will acknowledge this.

Well that's not correct.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen the statements you're probably referring to; but there's also Adobe with one made from licensed and public domain images only.

(You may want to argue, like my literally Communist ex, that under capitalism there can be no such thing as a fair contract between a corporation and a worker; I'm unsure of the power dynamics so won't counter-argue that).

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by tropicalbeach »

earth-adventure wrote: post #126
shriek wrote: post #125

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Likewise, same result for me too but I get it. It's a language model. It makes a best guess based on the information it was provided so I trust it on the things I'm familiar with but verify on those that I'm not.

I'm really stunned by the fact that, it seems, so few people get this. It's not a robot in the dense of Commander Data from Star Trek. It's a recursive software method that just has unfathomable amounts of data to base it's guess for some correct sentences on. There is no logic, no reasoning, no nothing. Yet people complain it's 'giving me wrong answers'. Well, it doesn't know what's it's giving you either way. It on…

You could say the same about your brain. You predict the best thing to say at the moment all the time. You make predictions off everything you do.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by ben_w »

shinycode wrote: post #148
sillysaurusx wrote: post #121

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Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

So let’s say in 10 years they have the processing power to generate full movies on demand. OpenAI trains its model on all movies from IMDB. Then I ask ChatGPT to produce a movie « like » avengers but with the faces of all my friends. And I just pay the 20$ fee (or 200$ by then) to OpenAI and watch my movie. Then I can ask to tweak some parts of the story and update the movie in real time. And this for any movie. Give…

> Does that seems ok to you ? Today it’s the books and pictures but later it’s going to be anything.

When they're that good, I might finally finish the novel I started writing in… ugh, 2016.

A quote comes to mind, though:

"I say 'your' civilization, because as soon as we started thinking for you it really became our civilization, which is of course what this is all about."

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by ben_w »

xigoi wrote: post #130
sillysaurusx wrote: post #121

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Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

If OpenAI believes that copyright is wrong, why are they keeping their software proprietary?

Ostensibly because of the risk of misuse.

This may be a losing battle even assuming it's 100% sincere (I'm not interested in debating the assumption).

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Post by ethbr1 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #121
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

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Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

It is immoral to create a device, from the labors of someone, which is capable of replacing their labor, without compensating them.

Unless they agreed to provide their work for that purpose for free.

Postulate #1: Image generation models would not exist without large amounts of training data from current artists.

Postulate #2: Every major AI company either trained directly on public web scraped datasets or is murky about what they train on.

Theft at scale does not somehow make it not theft. Stealing 1/100th of a penny 10 billion times is still stealing.

And when you repackage the results of that theft in a profit generating machine, and then label it not theft because "it's a whole new thing," you start to sound like a CDO apologist.

And look, I get it -- it's about money.

It's always about money.

You may not be making any off your work, but that's immaterial because lots of huge companies are making obscene amounts of money from doing this (or expect to be in the future).

At the same time, it is an excellent tool. Art without human time! It will eliminate a lot of artist jobs, but everyone as a whole will be better off (because we're swapping human labor for electricity).

However, the currently vogue "artists don't deserve anything" smacks more of "we don't want to share profits during the transition period" than a cohesive moral argument.

We can have an AI future, but we should be honest about what enabled that. And we should compensate those people during the transition.

Hell, AI tax. Paid to everyone who created a work in a scraped dataset. Sunset in 30 years. Done.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by healthyusa »

I have thousands of images and zillions of lines of code out there.

AI take it all. Train away. The rewards I get from using these tools is orders of magnitude more valuable than my inputs.

Copyright is dumb. It just slows down progress. We’re all in this together, and share away we should.

I never made my art to make money, I made art to make cool stuff, not for the almighty $$$.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by ben_w »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #154
sillysaurusx wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh please. First of all, how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures. Supposing that you buy into the theory that you can, copyright was created to further the arts and sciences; it’s in the US constitution. The point isn’t to control your work — it’s to live in a richer society. And it’s not even clear that training a model counts as infringement. Being able to recite a quote from a book is different than…

> how do you steal an idea? We’re talking about pictures Ideas and artwork are qualitatively different. Art work , it’s right there in the name. It takes work to create pictures/art. It’s more serious than stealing just ideas, which I agree are economically worthless until executed .

Fun fact: the etymology goes to "ars", as does "artisan" and "artificial".

Similar in German: Künstler, Kunst, Künstliche Intelligenz are all rooted in a single word that means skill/ability/knowledge/recognition.

I suspect that those in 1855 who said "photography can never assume a higher [artistic] ranking than engraving" were basically right: me snapping a photo of a sunset, especially now on a device that adjusts exposure etc. automatically, doesn't feel like it should deserve the same protection as a carefully composed portrait with artfully chosen wardrobe and makeup.

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Post by josefresco »

BoorishBears wrote: post #51
josefresco wrote: post #18

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Gave Bing Chat an MP3 URL and it just refused. I know I can do this with software on my PC, or maybe there's an online service where I can upload but I was hoping this would be something Bing Chat/ChatGTP would excel at. I tried first giving it the URL of the article where the MP3 was embedded, and then tried a direct link.

I'm still lost on how you reached the conclusion Bing Chat should do be able that? Does MS imply it can do that somewhere? Did you assume Whisper is from OpenAI => OpenAI is related to Microsoft => Bing Chat can transcribe MP3s? I'm really just lost on the thought process here.

Bing Chat is marketed as an AI assistant with a long list of capabilities beyond simply generating copy. It's not far fetched to think it could also transcribe audio. How is a user supposed to know that their AI assistant can and can't do without asking?

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

simonjgreen wrote: post #155
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not even deleted! Actively stolen. No one has yet grappled with the reality that especially in the realm of generative art, these models do not work without a basis of absolutely stressful amounts of stolen artwork to train them. They simply do. Not. Exist. Without that baseline unethical contribution that tons of artists made without their knowledge and certainly without their consent. None of the major figures behi…

How does a Human generate their ideas, styles, etc? We absorb everything we come in to contact with too.

A human doesn't exist in servers, work for free (well, minus utilities) 24 hours per day and work as long as you want on a project you've given it with zero input. If you can't appreciate the difference between an AI model and a person I think that says more about you than AI.

Re: ChatGPT turned generative AI into an “anything tool”

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Post by josefresco »

scrollaway wrote: post #177
BoorishBears wrote: post #51

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I'm still lost on how you reached the conclusion Bing Chat should do be able that? Does MS imply it can do that somewhere? Did you assume Whisper is from OpenAI => OpenAI is related to Microsoft => Bing Chat can transcribe MP3s? I'm really just lost on the thought process here.

People hear “ai” and think it’s a near-human that cannot merely answer to text but also see, hear and do shopping.

You can upload images to Bing Chat for analysis (see), you can talk to it (hear) and yes, it will also shop for you lol.
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