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Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by qtk8 »

zemvpferreira wrote: post #149
oarfish wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your experience is surely valid, but I wouldn't just generalize this to the population at large. When you say "powerlifters", are those people who compete or just people who train? I can imagine this to make a difference. And in any case, I wouldn't take Rippetoe as an example of good scientific programming these days. It's good for getting people into lifting, but Starting Strength has a powerlifting fetish for no g…

I can review myself in ekidd's experience. I've been in the gym for 20 years and plenty of stronger (but not competitive) people I know picked up injuries from grinding out tough sets of 5 or 3. Heck I have two abdominal hernias and a 'sensitive' back that gives me problems from time to time that I can directly blame deadlift PRs for, even with great technique. The gym is generally a safe hobby, but scientific bodybu…

Do you have a good source or book (preferably) to start learning more about scientific body building?

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by zemvpferreira »

qtk8 wrote: post #181
zemvpferreira wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can review myself in ekidd's experience. I've been in the gym for 20 years and plenty of stronger (but not competitive) people I know picked up injuries from grinding out tough sets of 5 or 3. Heck I have two abdominal hernias and a 'sensitive' back that gives me problems from time to time that I can directly blame deadlift PRs for, even with great technique. The gym is generally a safe hobby, but scientific bodybu…

Do you have a good source or book (preferably) to start learning more about scientific body building?

Look up Renaissance Periodisation's stuff, they do a great job of explaining this approach.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by stavros »

tastysandwich wrote: post #6

One of the best things I ever did was get strong through a basic barbell training program called Starting Strength. Squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, chinups, eat, sleep. It really is that easy. Highly recommend it for anyone interested. 1. Any back pain I had disappeared completely. 2. When I have to lift something awkward (eg, furniture), I don't injure myself. If you can deadlift 200KG, awkwardly leani…

On the flip side, I did SS in my twenties (15 years ago) and, while doing a deadlift, my back popped and started hurting. I've had back pain since.

I wouldn't recommend deadlifts. The worst part about it is that everyone always says "you didn't have proper form!" but, in that case, if you can follow all the advice in the program and still have bad form, it just sounds like a way to dismiss injuries as "your fault, not the program's".

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by zokier »

zealotsm wrote: post #54

This reminded me of 5 daily remembrances from Buddhist cannon. 1. I am sure to become old; I cannot avoid ageing. 2. I am sure to become ill; I cannot avoid illness. 3. I am sure to die; I cannot avoid death. 4. I must be separated and parted from all that is dear and beloved to me. 5. I am the owner of my actions, heir of my actions, actions are the womb (from which I have sprung), actions are my relations, actions…

> 1. I am sure to become old; I cannot avoid ageing.

It's unfortunate fact though that there is rather large chunk of people who do not get to grow old. In the same vein there are people who will not get ill anymore before their death.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by mcny »

I had a less traumatic experience at the beach. I lost my glasses to the waves.

Working on a laptop for the few weeks while my new glasses that I ordered online arrived was painful. At least something good came off of it. I'm all for building more accessible websites now.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by ekidd »

oarfish wrote: post #136
ekidd wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I powerlifed for years, with a truly excellent coach for much of that time. For what it was worth, she was Starting Strength certified and a successful international masters competitor. She fixed a subtle problem with my deadlift using nothing but the wrinkles on my T-shirt; my recovery improved dramatically. At 40, I was stronger than I was as a high school wrestler. I loved lifting. I remember casually picking up a…

Your experience is surely valid, but I wouldn't just generalize this to the population at large. When you say "powerlifters", are those people who compete or just people who train? I can imagine this to make a difference. And in any case, I wouldn't take Rippetoe as an example of good scientific programming these days. It's good for getting people into lifting, but Starting Strength has a powerlifting fetish for no g…

> and the advice to aggressively gain weight is also not appropriate for everyone (GOMAD etc.).

Yeah, don't do GOMAD unless you're a 17-year-old teenage boy with a BMI of 18.5 who wants to be a linebacker or something. Some of the Starting Strength advice is... very situational, to put it politely as possible.

Their coaching certification, however, means more than 95% of the "personal trainer" certifications you'll see in the average gym.

> When you say "powerlifters", are those people who compete or just people who train? I can imagine this to make a difference.

The oldest powerlifer I knew well who wasn't dealing with chronic injuries was a 40-year-old women's masters competitor. She competed around 135 or 139 lbs bodyweight, I think? She was absolutely a beast, with near flawless form and an excellent coaching eye.

Besides her? Almost every other long-term powerlifter I met was nursing some injury. But what really stood out to me was the absence of old powerlifters in my local gyms. There were old lifters in amazing shape. But none of them were grinding out the really heavy squats and deadlifts.

But don't take my word for it. All I'm recommending is that when new powerlifters max out their newbie gains, they take a good hard look around their local gym, and see who has decades of happy lifting under their belt. Ask those folks about their training plans and injury histories and PED use. You may see different patterns than I did. But for lifelong fitness, avoiding chronic injuries is everything.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by barbs »

gnicholas wrote: post #128

> 1 in 5 people currently have a disability. Considering that 15-20% of people have dyslexia, this is undoubtedly an underestimate.

I don't think that's quite right. According to wikipedia:

> It affects 3–7% of the population;[2][5] however, up to 20% of the general population may have some degree of symptoms.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyslexia

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by layer8 »

tastysandwich wrote: post #6

One of the best things I ever did was get strong through a basic barbell training program called Starting Strength. Squat, deadlift, overhead press, bench press, chinups, eat, sleep. It really is that easy. Highly recommend it for anyone interested. 1. Any back pain I had disappeared completely. 2. When I have to lift something awkward (eg, furniture), I don't injure myself. If you can deadlift 200KG, awkwardly leani…

This becomes much more difficult once you already have injuries though.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by mrob »

cnity wrote: post #177
Tenoke wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These numbers seem off? Everywhere I look online even the numbers for untrained men are higher than that. I just came back to the gym, am the weakest person there, slightly weaker than 'untrained' numbers on the internet and I can do more. 0. https://www.strengthlog.com/deadlift-strength-standards-kg/

Numbers are really personal. At 60kg I found it really easy to get strong enough to deadlift even 120kg, cited as between intermediate and advanced on that table, despite in no way being an even intermediate lifter. More like novice at best.

Relative difficulty of different lifts also varies. I found squats and deadlifts extremely difficult, to the point that I reached 1x bodyweight bench press before 1x bodyweight squat.

Re: We’re all just temporarily abled

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Post by layer8 »

throwaway4good wrote: post #132
ekidd wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I powerlifed for years, with a truly excellent coach for much of that time. For what it was worth, she was Starting Strength certified and a successful international masters competitor. She fixed a subtle problem with my deadlift using nothing but the wrinkles on my T-shirt; my recovery improved dramatically. At 40, I was stronger than I was as a high school wrestler. I loved lifting. I remember casually picking up a…

I used to do karate. There were all these character who had seemingly superhuman physical fitness yet they would die really early. I always wondered why was that? Now I believe that a lot of physical training isn't that healthy. And if you put your whole personal identity on your physical abilities then when your abilities start to decline, as they naturally do from age 40 and up, you may spiral out of control and li…

I know several martial arts practitioners who had to have hip surgery at a relatively young age. It’s really easy to overestimate what your body can handle.
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