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Re: Shit life syndrome

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Hi, speaking from small-town India. Poverty is extremely harsh on people. And when I was much younger ( For example, relevant to the submission, is healthcare. Healthcare in India is theoretically free in government hospitals. But in most places the state of these hospitals is horrific, and getting treatment is very hard due to corruption. But the bigger issue is opportunity cost. People who live based on daily earni…

What you describe is a real, severe, and tragic impact of crippling poverty, but I think “SLS” is highlighting something related yet more subtle.

From what I can construct, it’s referring to people who are able to meet their basic needs, but are slowly destroying themselves in ways no doctor or medicine can fix. They appear to be able to help themselves, but don’t, because the weight of it all is too much. They could quit smoking, or quit painkillers, or quit sugar, but they just don’t, and it’s because they feel hopeless. The cards are stacked against them, they’ve practically given up, and - critically - given their circumstances, who could blame them?

For example, usually we think of depression as irrational, abnormal, and so antidepressants are a way of correcting your thinking. Except, for someone with “SLS”, maybe depression is actually a perfectly appropriate response to their life circumstances rather than temporary aberrant neurology.

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If you have two kids and earn 55k from work, you pay marginal tax of 60%, as you have to pay a child tax on top of income and national insurance, plus another 9% or 15% on student loans (which are funded as an income tax)

… what? If you’re going to make the (extraordinary) claim that there is a “child tax” you’ll need to provide a link to a primary source.

This is what is being referred to: https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-tax-charge

Re: Shit life syndrome

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> But they [doctors] believe the causes are a tangled mix of economic, social and emotional problems that they — with 10- to 15-minute slots per patient — feel powerless to fix.

Would more time by doctors solve this problem? I expect not. People suffering from SLS need case workers, and training, and mental health workers, and something. But they probably don’t need doctors performing this task. It’s a hard problem to solve.

There’s an expression “they need Jesus” that I think fits, but not in a religious sense. People need help, but it’s a wicked problem because they really need a social support network. I’m not sure what the secular version of church is, but I think people need it to break out of a downward spiral by not having friends and family to help make good decisions and support when needed.

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(beautiful writing, as others have said!) > the same depressing crumbling economy of coastal towns all over the UK I'm surprised to hear that coastal towns in the UK are doing poorly. In North America, it's generally the coastal areas that are more prosperous. Was it overbuilding during the era of British sea power? Or a great sucking-up of wealth by London? It makes me wonder if, long term, seaside areas would make…

I don't think it's accurate to say that all coastal towns in the UK are doing badly - I can't help noticing there here on the east of Scotland you have on different sides of the Firth of Forth Methil, which is deprived, and North Berwick which is doing very nicely. Different histories, reliance on different industries, quality of transport links make a huge difference. Not even all coastal "tourist" towns are doing b…

It seems to be true that they are either doing very well or very badly.

St Andrews? Elie? Lovely. Methil? Granton? Pass.

Are there examples of “it’s alright” seaside towns above some threshold size?

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From an Australian perspective the idea that "seaside" towns are especially susceptible to economic decay and being left behind seems quite odd - even in parts of country without year-round beach weather, coastal localities here are usually the desirable places to live with subsequently healthier economies. Are there other countries that have experienced similar patterns of development to the UK?

Most UK seaside towns lost out to cheap flights to Spain. There's very little reason anyone visit Blackpool over Málaga. For the price of a depressing hotel in Blackpool you can get a modern resort in Spain with warm seas and reliably sunny hot weather every day. There are a few seaside towns that managed to hold on, such as Brighton. They're mostly in the South where the climate and sea temperature is a touch more b…

It seems odd from a US perspective, too. Here, it's much more expensive and desirable to live anywhere by the sea than it is to live inland. If you take two towns that are equal in all other ways, people would rather move to the seaside town. The existence of other seaside tourist destinations shouldn't change this.

I (maybe obviously) know nothing about UK, but if there was a Blackpool-like town that's just like Blackpool, but inland, wouldn't that town be even less desirable?

Re: Shit life syndrome

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There is an earlier claim to coining of Shit(ty) Life Syndrome not mentioned in the Wikipedia entry, a ha-ha-only-serious parody diagnosis in a medical humor collection named "Placebo Journal": https://authenticmedicine.com/2019/08/did-i-discover-the-con... Skip down to the "Diagnosis: SLS (classical type)" section for the meat of the parody if you don't want to go through the miscellanea that goes with a clinical visit report, although those bits are interesting in their own way.

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Personally I think that aspect is more locked in to the aging of the post-World power great expectations of “up and to the right.” If people have never had decent health care, and their classmates from school haven’t either, then how are they meant to move into something as rarefied as self-assessed mental health? That is something that people with too much time and not enough existential threat get up to.

Except Buddhism and similar “self help” movements evolved over thousands of years in South Asia in an environment of of extreme poverty with literally no health care, and purposefully work in a life of poverty. The idea that only wealth and leisure provides mental health or self awareness is at complete odds with how most of the knowledge around self awareness came about, as most of our modern conception around such…

When Buddhism arose and developed, India was a rich country.

Much of the area was under King Bimbisara who was a powerful and just ruler. Crime was rare. Rule of law prevailed. Economic activities such as trade were booming.

It was one of the best places to be in human history. And not only Buddhism, other rich philosophical schools rose and thrived at that place.

Healthcare wasn’t non-existent, as there is recorded history of doctors and hospitals existing.

Buddhism, and many other rich philosophies could arise at that time in India specifically because India was rich, peaceful, and calm.

Kings and rich merchants paid for huge expenses of a non-trivial number of people not working towards economic gain.

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From an Australian perspective the idea that "seaside" towns are especially susceptible to economic decay and being left behind seems quite odd - even in parts of country without year-round beach weather, coastal localities here are usually the desirable places to live with subsequently healthier economies. Are there other countries that have experienced similar patterns of development to the UK?

It's a whole lot warmer in Australia. Here in Britain there are very few days when it is pleasant to sit on the beach in Blackpool, let alone go swimming in the sewage-filled sea. Cheap flights make it easy to go abroad to the warmer and nicer environment of Italy or Spain.

Were seaside towns in the UK in the past particularly dependent on tourism though? And has a similar phenomenon occurred in other cooler-climate countries, in Europe or elsewhere? Tasmania's climate isn't so far off the UK's, yet I'm not aware of any hollowing-out effect among coastal towns there (Hobart has roughly the population of Blackpool, and was doing just fine last time I visited).

Re: Shit life syndrome

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Hi, speaking from small-town India. Poverty is extremely harsh on people. And when I was much younger ( For example, relevant to the submission, is healthcare. Healthcare in India is theoretically free in government hospitals. But in most places the state of these hospitals is horrific, and getting treatment is very hard due to corruption. But the bigger issue is opportunity cost. People who live based on daily earni…

Thanks for the note on life around you. I think something you touch on here is physical health. But my reading of the Wikipedia article is SLS profoundly about mental well being and the toll of neglect, abuse, and crushing poverty has on overall health and quantity of life due to the lack of well being. Would you mind expanding your story of life in your area on that dimension? How does this harshness play out for th…

I am sorry as I closed the Incognito window and lost the previous account. I have no way of proving I am the same person. But I will answer your question.

What I described, is true for the bottom 30-40% of the people. And many people who'd get treatment for one acute illness will try to suppress a chronic one.

People of course don't realize that they are very miserable. They take this as a given. You have a curable chronic illness that requires spending weeks in a hospital and 3-4x of your monthly income? You just choose to die slowly with locally sourced meds that suppress the symptoms. People become sad and gloomy, but are not totally lost unless they happen to be very young. Young people do get treatment.

If there is no illness, they just go by regularly with their lives. Domestic violence towards women is rampant and very common among the very poor. Negligence towards old people's health is comparatively more common. Child marriage is still common.

If you are asking if they become gloomy like Dostoyevsky's characters, then no. They are far away from that. They spend disproportionately in religious festivals. Although Hindu, their worshipped deities are not mainstream, for the lack of a better word. Poor Muslims fare worse. Muslims spend big, too.

They are happy, regular people. Very pious, except when it comes to corruption. Poor or rich, ~99% people will take the opportunity of corruption if they have the chance.

And the poor are less sensitive to social stigma.

But, I have seen a large number of people uplifted from poverty. Indian economic growth is not a dummy one. There are visibly much less poor people that there were ~15 years ago.

I live in an old neighborhood (thanks to remote work trend when I entered the job market in 2021). The neighboring locality is of poor people's. If you took a walk there (we all have amiable relationships and don't live in segregated manner), you will see brick houses (pucca), motorbikes, well furnished houses. If you took the same walk 15 years ago, you would have seen much more poverty. People are uplifted out of poverty. No doubts.

India is still power bipolar. Poor people have no power. And a powerful person (mostly politically) can get what you have. This, too, people see as a way of life. They don't know better. So, big fish eats small fish is still very true in India- unless you are a white collar middle class person.

Edit: these people are very patriarchal, don't believe in personal liberty at all, so, modern values that we hold dear are absent.

I belong to a old, upper middle class family, and can live my way, or otherwise I would be fighting to escape this place as soon as possible.

Re: Shit life syndrome

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Well you’ll be delighted: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1789957648

Table of Contents 1. Setting the Scene 2. The Tenets of Clean Code 3. The Enemies of Clean Code 4. SOLID and Other Principles 5. Naming Things is Hard 6. Blackpool's Fading Vitality and the Withering Shadow of Coastal Britain 7. Primitive and Built-In Types

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