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Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by HPsquared »

jameshart wrote: post #175
nicbou wrote: post #37

Ironically, articles got pointlessly long because of Google. Everyone stretches their content because long form ranks better. A few hours ago I wanted to know the difference between a typhoon and a hurricane. Here is the answer: they're the same thing, just in a different ocean. I clicked three or four articles and had to read for a few minutes to get to that answer. It's even worse with videos. It takes 10 minutes t…

Although they do look similar, there are quite significant differences between a Hurricane and a Typhoon. A Hurricane has a ~1000hp early Rolls Royce Merlin engine and a top speed of about 350mph; a Typhoon has a 2000hp+ Napier Sabre engine and a top speed of over 400mph. The Typhoon was actually intended to be the replacement for the Hurricane, but challenges in the high altitude interceptor role led to the Typhoon…

A Tornado is of course even more powerful. It has a pair of Turbo-Union RB199 afterburning triple-spool turbofan engines with 9800 lbf thrust each (17300 lbf with afterburners on) and a top speed of Mach 2.2 with the wing swept back.

Edit: at full afterburner, it burns fuel at a heat output of 235 MW (expressed as horsepower: 315140)

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by east2west »

HPsquared wrote: post #181
jameshart wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although they do look similar, there are quite significant differences between a Hurricane and a Typhoon. A Hurricane has a ~1000hp early Rolls Royce Merlin engine and a top speed of about 350mph; a Typhoon has a 2000hp+ Napier Sabre engine and a top speed of over 400mph. The Typhoon was actually intended to be the replacement for the Hurricane, but challenges in the high altitude interceptor role led to the Typhoon…

A Tornado is of course even more powerful. It has a pair of Turbo-Union RB199 afterburning triple-spool turbofan engines with 9800 lbf thrust each (17300 lbf with afterburners on) and a top speed of Mach 2.2 with the wing swept back. Edit: at full afterburner, it burns fuel at a heat output of 235 MW (expressed as horsepower: 315140)

The Eurofighter Typhoon houses two EJ200 engine with 60 kN (13,500 lbf) of dry thrust and >90 kN (20,230 lbf) with afterburners. I believe there are experimental versions of EJ200 with >100 kN thrust but since Typhoon is being retired across Europe and no oversea sales, we won't see Typhoon armed with them.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by orange_fritter »

nicbou wrote: post #37

Ironically, articles got pointlessly long because of Google. Everyone stretches their content because long form ranks better. A few hours ago I wanted to know the difference between a typhoon and a hurricane. Here is the answer: they're the same thing, just in a different ocean. I clicked three or four articles and had to read for a few minutes to get to that answer. It's even worse with videos. It takes 10 minutes t…

I got sucked into a clickbait recipe video for "2 ingredient cake". The video was just over 10 minutes long, which I think puts it in a different monetization category on youtube. I spent wayyy too much time out of my life trying to find out what 2 ingredients are in the cake.

Answer: apple sauce and gelatin

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by carlosjobim »

andsoitis wrote: post #64
eastbound wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They already show heavily curated content, with a conscious and intentional bias into presenting, for example, groups in a light that doesn’t match reality. You won’t find info about any merely “controversial” idea on Google, it’s all censored, it’s all disinformation already. Try even finding memes, you generally won’t find them. Try finding info that doesn’t paint some politicians in a good light, you won’t find it…

What’s a good example that I can Google for but won’t find results (censored) or where only one side is presented? I will Google it and report back…

I don't think anybody is interested in giving you an example, because they expect that it will get them banned from HN, or at least have their comment flagged and removed by activists.

Google does censor content, and they are kind enough to inform the owner of a website by e-mail when they have censored the content from their search results, so it is a fact that is just undeniable.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by carlosjobim »

wredue wrote: post #160
andsoitis wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What’s a good example that I can Google for but won’t find results (censored) or where only one side is presented? I will Google it and report back…

Yeah. You gotta be searching for some real bonkers shit to have google not show it up. The most completely batshit insane groups I’m willing to google anymore are flat earthers, young earth creationists, and Facebook mom groups, and google happily indexes and returns favourable results for all of these. Even looking at off the deep end alt-right content like men’s rights, red pilled, trucker convoy, anti-masker, Tate…

Classic hacker discourse...

1. Bunch all people who disagree with you into one and claim they are some kind of group. Bonus for listing 12 or more "groups".

2. Raise suspicion about the user you're replying to. Maybe they belong to one of those people you just listed? Maybe they are a terrorist? Maybe they voted for the wrong guy? Should we call the police? Of course we should! He's even trying to make Google show "bonkers shit, bat shit and illegal shit".

No matter how hard you try to follow the line, one day you will find yourself in one of those groups who people like yourself try to bunch together, and be exposed to the same level of suspicion and hatred that you yourself are unloading in your comment.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by ignite »

machdiamonds wrote: post #178
skybrian wrote: post #20

“Summarize this YouTube video” (given a link) is what I’d like to see and Google could easily do when there’s a transcript, but they’d probably rather make people watch the video. I think Kagi might do this? Any other good solutions?

I typically run lengthy YouTube video transcripts through Anthropic Claude to get a summary. It's free and offers a 100k context window. After summarizing, you can engage in a conversation with Claude. You can ask specific questions about the covered topics or prompt it with queries such as "What were the standout points?". It's quite adept at extracting key highlights.

Looks like that is still invitation only.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by standardUser »

px43 wrote: post #86
standardUser wrote: post #66

Anyone who has spent time with AI chatbots knows how often they are just completely wrong, often in surprising and confusing ways. It's hard enough to parse articles for accuracy and coherency without first passing them through as random error-adding machine.

Humans are worse. Obviously if you don't know how to discern garbage data from legit data, you're going to have a bad time, but these emerging tools are strictly better than anything that has existed before.

The range of errors we expect from humans is more narrow, more relatable and we have more experience parsing them. Adapting to parse AI-written material will require developing new skills, and I'd argue those skills will be more difficult to develop because the errors/inconsistencies generated by AI are not as relatable to humans as errors introduced by humans.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by nicbou »

px43 wrote: post #89
indymike wrote: post #44

This is where you start to sympathize with the news people in Canada who want google to pay for links. If google just summarizes at scale, interdicts the traffic and revenue, where's the incentive to create content? This is a failure mode for the information economy.

If your only incentive for creating content is harvesting attention and eyeballs, then the internet is better off without your content.

I just like the fruits of my labour to be attributed to me, not to a large corporation.

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by skybrian »

Drakim wrote: post #48
hamasho wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may be summarized to what they want, but it can be what I want too. All YouTube recommendations are already what I want to see. Videos from creators who share my world view, criticizing what I hate, and praising what I've already liked. If this Chrome's new feature is also personalized in this manner, I can read articles against my view and still get only what I want. My world view will become increasingly polariz…

When I try to search up a topic on YouTube, the list of search results eventually STOP showing videos matching my criteria and instead show 10 videos in a row labeled "People also watched" that is unrelated to my search. It's one thing to get recommendations in a place where recommendations are appropriate, and the dangers of the feedback loop you are talking about. It's another thing entirely to actively push it in…

The trick to get rid of that is to go to search filters and select "videos."

Re: Learn as you search (and browse) using generative AI

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Post by mlinksva »

east2west wrote: post #182
HPsquared wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Tornado is of course even more powerful. It has a pair of Turbo-Union RB199 afterburning triple-spool turbofan engines with 9800 lbf thrust each (17300 lbf with afterburners on) and a top speed of Mach 2.2 with the wing swept back. Edit: at full afterburner, it burns fuel at a heat output of 235 MW (expressed as horsepower: 315140)

The Eurofighter Typhoon houses two EJ200 engine with 60 kN (13,500 lbf) of dry thrust and >90 kN (20,230 lbf) with afterburners. I believe there are experimental versions of EJ200 with >100 kN thrust but since Typhoon is being retired across Europe and no oversea sales, we won't see Typhoon armed with them.

A land route exists, so not technically overseas, this Typhoon is sometimes observed outside its signature range, eg over Yemen.
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