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Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Good move, but another thing this brand does is charge you a monthly subscription to unlock the full battery range on your bike. If you don’t pay, you lug around a dead weight extra battery you cannot access. Overall this brand is notoriously unfriendly to consumers.

> Good move, but another thing this brand does is charge you a monthly subscription to unlock the full battery range on your bike.

Fuck Zero Motorbikes and their subscriptions!

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

#182

Good move, but another thing this brand does is charge you a monthly subscription to unlock the full battery range on your bike. If you don’t pay, you lug around a dead weight extra battery you cannot access. Overall this brand is notoriously unfriendly to consumers.

subscriptions just put me off. i'd rather wait for a good product that doesn't need subscriptions

I’m fine with subscriptions if it provides value to me as a customer. If it enables a consistent stream of new content or features, or covers things like cloud storage where there is clearly an ongoing cost to the company to provide a service then I understand and accept the fees. Otherwise, it’s just rent seeking.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

#183

Good move, but another thing this brand does is charge you a monthly subscription to unlock the full battery range on your bike. If you don’t pay, you lug around a dead weight extra battery you cannot access. Overall this brand is notoriously unfriendly to consumers.

link? I'm very familiar with Zeros and I've never heard this..

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Are there any OEMs whose service manuals are hard to find? I restore cars and motorcycles and have never had trouble finding a pdf or hard copy for around $20. Its good that they are doing this though a lot of the secrets I’d want to know about an electric motorcycle are about the ECU when that software is some of the most tightly guarded of any.

Volvo's data is only available via digital subscription. BMW motorcycle data is not available at all to consumers anymore, only certified techs. Suzuki doesn't publish data, but Clymer usually fills the gap. By contrast, Honda will still sell you some really great dead tree manuals on their motorcycles.

KTM, too. My buddy got a 450 XC-F and he was able to buy a service manual directly from them.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

#185

Good move, but another thing this brand does is charge you a monthly subscription to unlock the full battery range on your bike. If you don’t pay, you lug around a dead weight extra battery you cannot access. Overall this brand is notoriously unfriendly to consumers.

subscriptions just put me off. i'd rather wait for a good product that doesn't need subscriptions

Harley Live Wire seems like fun.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

#186
Blows my mind they didn't provide the service manual for free. I raced KTM off-road for 30+ years, and every bike came with the service manual, complete diagrams, and product replacement part numbers. Every time I pulled out on my KTM 990 Adventure R I had the manual with me as well.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

#187

I'm still wondering why there's no regulation on this, forcing manufacturers to hand-in both the user and service manuals. I own a Kawasaki motorbike and tried to get its service manual just to understand a bit more about it, and is impossible to get it at this point unless I pay Kawasaki 100€ for its printed version (a fucking ripoff). It doesn't cost them anything to release PDFs as a courtesy to its customers.

I have almost always had luck with searching the web for “Kawasaki vn800 service manual pdf”. The hardest manual to get was for my Harley but for $20 I was able to buy a scanned PDF from a site that’s almost certainly illegal but delivered exactly what I needed.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

#188
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Off topic, but does anyone make simple electric motorcycles? You know, a frame, battery, motor, etc., but without a connected app and all the goo that comes with it.

You can always build one yourself. Buy an older bike for the frame and VIN, swap in a motor and a battery pack along with the rest of the controller stuff and you are good to go.

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

#189
post #40

Off topic, but does anyone make simple electric motorcycles? You know, a frame, battery, motor, etc., but without a connected app and all the goo that comes with it.

Energica does not have a connected app. Also, the service manual is simple to come by (Facebook group).

Re: Zero Motorcycles makes its service manuals free

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Yep, you can bleed it physically but the system will refuse to re-activate the ABS until you trigger something in the ROM. Absolutely insane. You can't get even order the tool directly from Triumph to do it because you need to be some kind of verified auto mechanic for them. Even the oil change was a pain. I had to quite literally crush the dealer oil filter and break it off in pieces with a pipe wrench because it wa…

> Do yourself a favor and avoid Euro motorcycles. I was considering triumph as my first bike but after reading this its a hard pass. To your knowledge are there any brands known for being DIY friendly on current models (read being able to provide/sell offline service manuals)?

Most Japanese bikes are very user friendly. Even the newer ones aren't terrible to work on. If you want the easiest mix of technology and ease of repair shoot for a Japanese motorcycles before 2014-ish.
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