TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, NXP to jointly build semiconductor fab in Europe

Post by RF_Savage » Tue, Aug 08, 2023, 2:14 PM UTC

crote wrote: post #50

raverbashing wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the 'chip shortage' those past years was not for the cutting-edge stuff, but for automotive/embedded devices Not everything needs the 5nm cutting edge, and to be fair calling > 300mm (12-inch) wafers on TSMC’s 28/22 nanometer planar CMOS and 16/12 nanometer FinFET process technology, old is a bit unfair

3nm has already hit mass production. Considering this fab won't be ready for at least another two years, 2nm will have hit mass production already. 22nm dates back to 2012, and TSMC has been doing 14nm FinFET mass production since 2014. So yeah, a decade behind cutting-edge can indeed be called "old" when the entire point of the Chips Act was to catch up with Asia and become a center for innovation.

Post by visarga » Tue, Aug 08, 2023, 2:15 PM UTC

ho_schi wrote: post #111

AdamN wrote: post #14

Sort of incredible that Germany is getting decade old technology for this much investment.

Im rather sure Robert Bosch and Infineon are aware of what chips they need. Obviously not the Zen 5, M3 or Meteor Lake. Germany needs CPUs for the industry. Cars, machines, planes, wind turbines and so on :) But you cannot build Personal-Computers with them? That failure is caused by Siemens (Siemens-Nixdorf) and AEG. In GDR/DDR they were close to build a 386 compatible CPU. The remaining knowledge is still somewhat…

Post by Slartie » Tue, Aug 08, 2023, 2:16 PM UTC

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #122

KingOfCoders wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These days are over - they ended with the war in Iraq. In the 80s the US said "Jump!" and western Europe asked "How high?".

You're wrong, your parent is correct. NL government had to block sales of ASML EUV machines to China on the US's request since they didn't want to enable China build advanced chips. ASML definitely wanted to sell to China to increase their quarterly revenues but couldn't because the US owns the IP for the EUV tech and ASML's EUV light sources are made by CYMER in the US, which ASML bought but they're still under US t…

Post by fomine3 » Tue, Aug 08, 2023, 2:17 PM UTC

enigma20 wrote: post #152

dontupvoteme wrote: post #139

Along with (hopefully) that french startup (Mistral) founded by the LLaMA guys, the EU is putting together the pieces they need to keep up with AI and maintain their ability to leverage their control mechanisms upon the FAANGS. Realpolitk wise they absolutely cannot risk regulatory capture to a few select firms on the west coast of the USA. Altman himself threatened (for a brief period) to cut off GPT to the EU after…

Why would be the language death bad. Imho, from practical point of view it doesn't make sense to have multiple languages, or?

Post by nottorp » Tue, Aug 08, 2023, 2:17 PM UTC

dontupvoteme wrote: post #139

Along with (hopefully) that french startup (Mistral) founded by the LLaMA guys, the EU is putting together the pieces they need to keep up with AI and maintain their ability to leverage their control mechanisms upon the FAANGS. Realpolitk wise they absolutely cannot risk regulatory capture to a few select firms on the west coast of the USA. Altman himself threatened (for a brief period) to cut off GPT to the EU after…