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Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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Maybe, since he was willing to name his employers, who happen to be despised in liberal circles. OTOH, there is a lot of PR spending on social media (e.g.: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/08/us/politics/obama-campaign... ), so it wouldn't surprise me if Goldman has hired people to smear Smith on forums like this one.

Can you imagine yourself paying someone to smear others on a forum? What if you really believed in your own cause? What if it cost you a trivial proportion of your buckets of money, and if you had legions of lawyers able to write terrifying NDAs? What if you had a history of being unscrupulous in countless other contexts? What if all it took to "solve the problem" were a few choice words said to the right person? Thi…

Can you imagine yourself paying someone to smear others on a forum?

I cannot, no.

But a large (and dare I say ruthless) organization interested in limiting the PR damage?

Sure.

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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I came away with a couple of things after reading this article. One was that it was nice to know that there are principled people out there on Wall Street who are willing to place their conscience ahead of their own interests and be willing to resign if necessary in order to protest a corporate culture willing to mistreat their customers for the sake of a dollar (as did Mr. Smith). The second is that the real way to create long-term wealth for any business is by exercising the time-tested principles such as the one mentioned in the article- integrity, a spirit of humility, teamwork and always doing right by your clients.

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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I keep thinking about this article and the recent Google one as well. And I wonder, is this sort of moral decay necessarily part of the current corporate world? Is it possible, over the long run, to have a tech firm, or any other firm, that empowers employees to do what is best for everyone and to hell with the rules? Or is this merely a matter of a few good leaders who get it, and everyone else eventually overcoming…

> And I wonder, is this sort of moral decay necessarily part of the current corporate world?

I think it's as mundane as simple, Darwinian selective pressure. The ruthless ones perform better[1]. The people who have ethical constraints, or who consider the long-term, find themselves under-performing by comparison. They can choose to either mimic this destructive behavior or get marginalized as they are seen as ineffective and stubborn.

So basically, ethical behavior is unstable, and having one sociopath on a team will tend to make others act the same way. It's not exactly inevitable, but it's the natural tendency. If you want to stop it from happening, you have to work very hard and be very diligent.

[1] Or rather, they perform better in more visible ways, i.e. by more objective metrics and over a shorter time period.

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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Goldman's response: http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2012/03/14/goldman-rejects-claims... “We disagree with the views expressed, which we don’t think reflect the way we run our business,” a Goldman spokeswoman said. “In our view, we will only be successful if our clients are successful. This fundamental truth lies at the heart of how we conduct ourselves.” Mr. Smith described himself as an executive director and head of Go…

If he really were head of US Equity Derivs (derivatives) Sales in EMEA, he'd be an MD (managing director). We can all be head of something... after you put enough creative thought in it.

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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I agree with you but if you are at his level, you don't really need a resume anymore. Financial industry is all about who you know and from what I can see, he is very well connected.

FYI Executive Director at GS means the same thing as VP, which sounds much more impressive than it actually is. There are literally thousands of them. To put it another way, ED is a level up from Analyst. The real cheese begins at Managing Director -- which is the first level you don't reach through seniority, but through "skill" (or politicking!).

No, Associate is a level up from Analyst. Executive Director == EMEA version of VP.

There are a few thousand of Vp's but there are also what, 25K staff.

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> Something happens to companies as they get larger... I think promotion happens. When you're a fresh grad right out-of-college and the Managing Director says "client is our #1 priority", you take it to heart. That's your new mantra now. Nine years later, when the same Director, now promoted to the Board says the same line, you groan inside because you know exactly how often he calls his clients muppets. Slowly you b…

I agree with your point that part of the cause is getting more senior and actually watching the lies. But I don't accept that we should condone that behavior. Full disclosure: I left Micosoft last year after I long debated the trade offs of starting my career over. I was a "top performer" and Microsoft makes a point of telling the many people like me to stick around for all sorts of reasons. Deferred compensation. Tr…

"Now we have Yelp. Really bad restaurants should have a hard time of hiding. I wish there was something like that for managers and companies without blowback. I wish there was a way to give feedback on LinkedIn."

We are working on this very issue right now -www.feedbackninja.com - coming soon!

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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I thought this guy was an "executive director"? I think a lowly VP writing something like this wouldn't make nearly the splash he is making right now. A story like this is a nightmare to GS though. They've always prided themselves on valuing their reputation above all else and this is yet another shot to what they want to be seen as. However, it is important to realize that the public's perception of GS is different…

even if he was executive director, still not senior, more midlevel. hierarchy is - management committee > partner managing director > managing director > executive director > vice president > associate > analyst managing director is where you would be running a business, sort of like making general in the army, there are about 1700 of them. And the partners are the true senior managers and where real authority in the…

executive director == vice president

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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The official response:

We wanted to share with you the below communication which was today sent to the people of Goldman Sachs:

Goldman Sachs Logo Office of the Chairman March 14, 2012

Our Response to Today’s New York Times Op-Ed

By now, many of you have read the submission in today’s New York Times by a former employee of the firm. Needless to say, we were disappointed to read the assertions made by this individual that do not reflect our values, our culture and how the vast majority of people at Goldman Sachs think about the firm and the work it does on behalf of our clients.

In a company of our size, it is not shocking that some people could feel disgruntled. But that does not and should not represent our firm of more than 30,000 people. Everyone is entitled to his or her opinion. But, it is unfortunate that an individual opinion about Goldman Sachs is amplified in a newspaper and speaks louder than the regular, detailed and intensive feedback you have provided the firm and independent, public surveys of workplace environments.

While I expect you find the words you read today foreign from your own day-to-day experiences, we wanted to remind you what we, as a firm – individually and collectively – think about Goldman Sachs and our client-driven culture.

First, 85 percent of the firm responded to our recent People Survey, which provides the most detailed and comprehensive review to determine how our people feel about Goldman Sachs and the work they do.

And, what do our people think about how we interact with our clients? Across the firm at all levels, 89 percent of you said that the firm provides exceptional service to them. For the group of nearly 12,000 vice presidents, of which the author of today’s commentary was, that number was similarly high.

Anyone who feels otherwise has available to him or her a mechanism for anonymously expressing their concerns. We are not aware that the writer of the opinion piece expressed misgivings through this avenue, however, if an individual expresses issues, we examine them carefully and we will be doing so in this case.

Our firm has had its share of challenges during and after the financial crisis, but your pride in Goldman Sachs is clear. You’ve not only told us, you have told external surveys.

Just two weeks ago, Goldman Sachs was named one of the best places to work in the United Kingdom, where this employee resides. The firm was the highest placed financial services company for the third consecutive year and was the only one in its peer group to make the top 25.

We are far from perfect, but where the firm has seen a problem, we’ve responded to it seriously and substantively. And we have demonstrated that fact.

It is unfortunate that all of you who worked so hard through a difficult environment over the last few years now have to respond to this. But, our response is best demonstrated in how we really work with and help our clients through our commitment to their long-term interests. That priority has distinguished us in the past, through the financial crisis and today.

Thank you.

Lloyd C. Blankfein Gary D. Cohn

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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> Something happens to companies as they get larger... I think promotion happens. When you're a fresh grad right out-of-college and the Managing Director says "client is our #1 priority", you take it to heart. That's your new mantra now. Nine years later, when the same Director, now promoted to the Board says the same line, you groan inside because you know exactly how often he calls his clients muppets. Slowly you b…

I agree with your point that part of the cause is getting more senior and actually watching the lies. But I don't accept that we should condone that behavior. Full disclosure: I left Micosoft last year after I long debated the trade offs of starting my career over. I was a "top performer" and Microsoft makes a point of telling the many people like me to stick around for all sorts of reasons. Deferred compensation. Tr…

> I try to be a good person. I try to be honest. I try to stand up for people. But I couldn't help her. For a year I gave as much moral support as I could without the inner circle knowing. But the politics were too thick and toxic to touch.

You "could not" help her? That's not exactly true, is it? It's just that if you had, there would have been negative consequences for yourself, and so, you didn't.

Thanks for the interesting story though.

Re: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs

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I don't think Michael Lewis changed his name to Peter.

d'oh! thanks - will fix. Lewis screwed up a few people's names in Liar's Poker and I always thought it reflected that he was more interested in a good story than facts, so it was kind of ironic I did same.

Made me think of Muphry's law there

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muphrys_law

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