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Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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post #7

"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…

> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

I'm not sure. Music goes in cycles, like the 80s generated a lot of crap and then gave way to the explosion of the alternative music scene.

For an actual semi-objective measure, think about how often you hear songs from the 60s and 70s, and from the 90s (and early 2000s for hip hop). And then think of all the crap that's gone by that has no staying power. I'm sure it's partially my bubble, but there were bands in the decades I mention that are going to be widely listened to for a long time, while in between there's a ton of throwaway. Basically you get original, defining music as new genres emerge then runs of derivative crap between them, it's not constant.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#182
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> compensate for lost CD revenue Oh poor, poor Sony/BMG/EMI CEOs who absolutely couldn't buy another yacht while lowering their expenses by literally making money out of thin air by literally copying digital music. /me wets a handkerchief with the tears of compassion. You are spamming that graph, but only because you think it supports your opinion. Except it does not. Go to RIAA, select Adjusted for inflation and sel…

> Oh poor, poor Sony/BMG/EMI CEOs who absolutely couldn't buy another yacht while lowering their expenses by literally making money out of thin air by literally copying digital music. /me wets a handkerchief with the tears of compassion. You are conveniently ignoring the musicians which are hardest hit by our piracy. They make hardly any money from Spotify. > You would see what by 2017 the revenue is on par with 1981…

> They make hardly any money from Spotify.

They make hardly any money from the record companies.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#183
post #7

"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…

> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

Yup. Getting old is a tough pill to swallow. An early sign is when you don’t care about new music.

Face it, popular music exists for teenagers to claim their spot. Their unique identity from previous generations. The new and fresh - it’s about today and they are today.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

> You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. Thing is, there are objective metrics about quality. One aspect is "loudness war" aka compression, where subjective loudness gets increased at the cost of dynamic range [1], another (in)famous aspect is the increasing use…

> One aspect is "loudness war" aka compression, where subjective loudness gets increased at the cost of dynamic range

The interesting thing about streaming services is they really put a cap on this (often a hard one measured by LUFS) and we really don't have as much wall-of-sound compression like we did from the 90s through the mid 00s.

https://hyperbits.com/ultimate-guide-to-the-loudness-war/

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

> You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that started in the 20th century. Recorded music hasn't been around long enough to think that platitudes like this actually have any meaningful content. I'm here whining about how you're using a Beatles example because your argument is literally a teenage Baby Boomer a…

> I hate how people decide something is an inevitable eternal cycle that started in the 20th century. Recorded music hasn't been around long enough to think that platitudes like this actually have any meaningful content.

Maybe, but doesn't the same complaint exist about other media, too? 'Kids these days and their [books|music|art|clothes|dance styles]'

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#186
post #17

The reality is that yes, cassettes really were responsible for a substantial downturn in music revenue in the late 70s and early 80s: https://i.insider.com/4d5ea2acccd1d54e7c030000 Then cassettes got replaced with CDs which (initially) were read only, which again saved the market from piracy ... until online piracy with Napster and MP3 players completely crushed the music market, but far worse than cassettes. Even 20…

In the 1980s there was a record store where I lived that sold "used" records and tapes. Their hook was that they'd take any record back within a week of purchase. I think they witheld a dollar or two on the refund.

So you'd go in, buy a record and a blank cassette, go home and make a tape of the record, then return the record. My friends and I did this countless times. If there was a record we all liked we'd just buy more tapes and make a copy for each of us.

If this was a common thing in other towns, I can see why it reduced revenue. Even if this exact model was unusual, you could still borrow records from friends and make tape copies, so only one of you had to buy the record.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#187
post #7

"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…

> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

Sure, but one cant deny the music of the late 60s and 70s changed a lot of human culture.

But we dont have revolutionary music such as led zepplin, pink floyd, etc in the current crop.

none of the above sought facade public images as much as every single 'influencing' pop-stars today.

Their influence was organic. Today's music trends are forced.

Aside from some EDM style folks, such as ZHU - great music but hes not out there trying to push 'lifestyle' bs, as much as others.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#188
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh poor, poor Sony/BMG/EMI CEOs who absolutely couldn't buy another yacht while lowering their expenses by literally making money out of thin air by literally copying digital music. /me wets a handkerchief with the tears of compassion. You are conveniently ignoring the musicians which are hardest hit by our piracy. They make hardly any money from Spotify. > You would see what by 2017 the revenue is on par with 1981…

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> Bullshit. You are conveniently ignoring the musicians were ripped by the labels way, way before mp3s and still are. Go, read this[0] from the musician itself, ffs.

Piracy doesn't make this issue smaller, if anything, it makes it worse. Love wrote:

> There were a billion music downloads last year, but music sales are up. Where's the evidence that downloads hurt business?

This piece was published in 2000, and sales were not "up". Maybe he didn't have access to the latest figures. But they already started to go down. Over the next few years, CD sales would collapse completely, and digital music sales would not nearly make up for it. I posted the charts previously.

> > Apart from 1981 pretty much coinciding with the cassette piracy decline

> LOLWUT?

I posted the chart previously. Around that time vinyl records had declined substantially, without cassette sales compensating for it. The most likely explanation is that cassette piracy was the culprit. CDs fixed this problem for a while, as they were initially read only and couldn't be pirated.

> > Then CD sales collapsed because of piracy. Napster & Co.

> Are you fucking serious? Napster became defunct by 2001. iPod came out in late 2001, iRiver came out in 2002 and iPod 3 in 2003. By 2005 NOBODY used CDs as a means for portable music.

Yes, because Napster was replaced with countless other music piracy apps. Gnutella, eDonkey2000, Kazaa, Limewire etc. People could legally buy music for their iPods, but they were rather using filesharing. This was free after all, if illegal.

> > Do you have troubles with comprehension? You could never return to 'CD levels' because those levels literally had profit margins anywhere from 200% to 3000%:

> > In 1995, material costs were 30 cents for the jewel case and 10 to 15 cents for the CD. The wholesale cost of CDs was $0.75 to $1.15, while the typical retail price of a prerecorded music CD was $16.98

That's a nonsense comparison. Raw CD manufacturing costs have almost nothing to do with the price or value of music. With downloadable music, the "manufacturing cost" of transferring a few megabytes is likewise miniscule. But the fixed cost of making and advertising the music is not meaningfully different.

> And also you conveniently ignore what the physical media declined past 2001 precisely because people no longer needed nor wanted the physical media.

And you are conveniently ignoring the fact that legal CD music got replaced with illegally downloaded music. I posted the chart. Hardly anyone paid for downloaded music.

> Can you explain how come the label receives 27% while the artist only 16%?

Bad contracts have nothing to do with piracy, but the extremely low price of Spotify has. That Spotify and Apple Music are cheap doesn't mean that artists get a bigger share of the total revenue than in the past. But the total revenue itself got smaller.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

> You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. Thing is, there are objective metrics about quality. One aspect is "loudness war" aka compression, where subjective loudness gets increased at the cost of dynamic range [1], another (in)famous aspect is the increasing use…

I don't like the results of the loudness war either but it isn't objectively worse. Lots of people are listening to music on cheap speakers over the sound of road noise while driving or with generic earbuds on a train or any number of situations not conducive to high dynamic ranges. To these people in these situations, the highly compressed music sounds better.

Re: Home Taping Is Killing Music: When the music industry waged war on the cassette

#190
post #7

"Home taping is killing music" The record companies did a fantastic job of killing music all by themselves, the quality has absolutely cratered and the occasional great artist that has made it through the long slog to recognition has done so despite the music industry, not because of. I spent a fortune on various formats and when streaming came along I simply refused to participate. I'm simply not going to pay a thir…

> the quality has absolutely cratered You just got old. It happens to everyone, and every generation says the same thing: The music I enjoyed when I was young and impressionable was great, but all the stuff they make nowadays is crap. People were whining about how Beatles destroyed music, how rock’n’roll was just monkey noise, how crooners like Sinatra wasn’t real singing.

I do think that the quality of the current Top 40 hits is certainly worse than in the past. However, there are good bands out there you just have to look for them on Bandcamp/Youtube or forums/sites dedicated to the genre of music you enjoy.
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