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Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
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Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many people believe what they teach works toward equality for all citizens, many people believe it undermines equality. Regardless, teaching one side of a current controversy as fact in mandatory school is manipulation.
"Regardless, teaching one side of a current controversy as fact in mandatory school is manipulation." If there were a real controversy, sure, but the sides here are "everyone is a human worthy of rights, protections, and opportunity," versus "some people deserve more and opportunity than others". One is tolerant, one is not. I am under no compulsion to be tolerant of intolerance. It is proper, ethical, and moral to f…
> versus "some people deserve more and opportunity than others".
Happily the supreme court recently ruled against such notions. Progress!
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are you arguing that a teacher at a public university doesn't have 1FA rights when teaching or giving their opinion on a subject they're an expert on? I am skeptical if that is indeed your arguent. If university professors believed this, they would not take jobs at public universities; they tend to place a very high value on their ability to conduct research and express themselves freely on whatever subjects they cho…
Are you really arguing that this hasn't happened many, many times in the past and yet people still take professorships at public universities and schools? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demers_v._Austin This case wouldn't have happened if it wasn't for a prof getting attacked by the state for stating something in a classroom. It's happened many times in the past too. Note this was the first time any court said there w…
Yes, I was really arguing that. Thank you for correcting me. My incorrect belief was based on too myopic a view (I’m in the Ninth Circuit’s jurisdiction and forget sometimes that the rest of the country exists) and too broad an assertion (that all speech related to teaching is protected).
The case you pointed to was about speech “that criticizes policies and decisions of university administrations” and grants relief for that set of circumstances. That wasn’t the case here. I’m sure you can cite to this, but is there a holding where the case was simply about the subject matter and not criticism of administration policy?
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Again, censorship requests aren't a First Amendment violation That's probably not true. Volumes of case law support that even subtle pressure from the government to influence speech is a first amendment violation.
Clayton, you've made this claim a couple of times. Do you mind citing specific decisions?
This is pretty easy to find, but for an excellent judicial review and multiple case law citations I highly recommend reading Judge Doughty's recent decision.
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Case history and law are very clear about how the first amendment can be violated by even subtle pressure from the government. I recommend reading judge Doughty's decision [1]. It's a long read, but well worth your time. [1] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.lawd.18...
I've read the injunction. It's not very good. It's since been stayed; https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/14/social-media-injunc... .
Yes, it's an administrative stay pending full review which is standard process in cases like this, the stay wasn't issued based on the merits.
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
Case history and law are very clear about how the first amendment can be violated by even subtle pressure from the government. I recommend reading judge Doughty's decision [1]. It's a long read, but well worth your time. [1] https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.lawd.18...
I disagree. Case history is absolutely not clear about the difference between government encouraging action by companies vs. forcing said action, and whether the former is explicitly permissible. I read the decision. It's not so great imo by federal bench standards. Judges who write sweeping statements like, “If the allegations made by plaintiffs are true, the present case arguably involves the most massive attack ag…
He based "the most massive" on the total number of people affected.
Certainly not on the same scale of severity of the abuse of Japanese Americans, but much more massive based on the number of people affected.
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
All in all, it seems like this was a situation where the process worked. - She said some stuff as a visiting speaker she probably shouldn't have in that context, or at least was taken wrong by some folks in the audience. - Attendees complained - She was formally censured by the hosting university that knew what the comments were - Due to the censure, her employer investigated - She was cleared, life went on - Newspap…
This is not an accurate characterization. - She made factual statements about policy impacts on overdose deaths. - A politician's relative who was in attendance reported it to the political party backing those policies. - The politicians successfully signaled to those at the university that criticizing their policies will be inconvenient at least, and a realistic threat to your career. * Edit, for emphasis: Your char…
We have absolutely no idea what comments she was censured for, they aren't saying. They certainly didn't claim she was censured for factual discussion about opioid crisis, as you've implied (and the reporter, without evidence, also implied).
UTMB is a prestigious institution. Issuing a statement of censure is a pretty big deal.
Occam's razor would suggest that it wasn't done arbitrarily.
Objectively looking at the known facts without a political bias, it seems to me that the most likely scenario is that she made some inappropriate comments, got censured, but no one wants to embarrass her further or risk liability by repeating hearsay.
People make mistakes.
We don't have any facts that would support the narrative that the government encouraged the censure or the investigation in any way.
I'm not sure why there's so much passion around insisting that particular narrative when there are limited known facts.
Of course I'd change my opinion if more information comes to light.
Would you?
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#188> The Texas A&M University professor had just returned home from giving a routine lecture on the opioid crisis at the University of Texas Medical Branch in March when she learned a student had accused her of disparaging Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick during the talk. Very Soviet. Is this a weird Texas thing, or is it normal for American universities? It's virtually impossible to imagine here; universities are more or less grou…
Texas, and other “Southern” states are like this. The people with old power in these places are a special breed.
This part of the country seceded in the not-too-distant past, and there are still confederate rallies in Texas to this day. It’s super diverse but all of the power is held by by old-money southern aristocracy. (I am from Texas)
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#189It's worth knowing more details than the headline here: 1. Professor Joy Alonzo, who's an expert in Opiod harm-reduction gave a talk where according to all accounts, she mildly critiqued the Lt. Governor and state's preferences for punitive approaches for drug control and that they are considered Federal non-reporters on Opioid stats since they don't collect the data required. 2. Dawn Buckingham, the TX Land Commissi…
What did she say?
The article didn’t have any quotes and was apparently unable to source anything direct
Re: Texas A&M suspended professor accused of criticizing Lt. Gov. Patrick in lecture
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
Israel just removed their judicial branches ability to review government actions. The hose just got a lot bigger.
This is not at all what happened. What actually happened is that the parliament slightly restricted the number of reasons the Supreme Court is allowed to use to overrule decisions of the government. Since Israel has no Constitution (it has some Basic Laws, but they don't cover much) the Supreme Court has been increasingly intervening into politics - including appointments, government decisions, policies, etc. - much…
I would mention that there is basically zero separation between executive and legislative powers in Israel (to form the government to need to have majority in Knesset and you get to choose all the ministers). Reducing the power of the only independent branch in this case is highly questionable to say the least