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Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by wappieslurkz »

satysin wrote: post #178
wappieslurkz wrote: post #176

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21 years of all that travelling back and forth to a family vacation home... My flight shame would kill me. How did/do you deal with that?

It's a ~12 hour drive. No need to fly. I have far more shame about how much food I waste or worse how much I used to consume if I am honest. When I look at the environmental impact of the food I eat it dwarfs everything else. Even if I were to fly every time that would have been 42 two-hour flights over two decades. I wouldn't have shame over that number of flights considering I've worked with people that fly more th…

Apologies for my assumption you would fly there. And yes, I can also always mention worse examples, and those people probably can too. That's one of the cognitive dissonance reduction mechanisms that got us in so much trouble.

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Post by chewz »

myshpa wrote: post #126
MrVandemar wrote: post #122

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>You mean, like, switching to a vegan diet, using public transport and stop flying? Those seem radical enough for most people in the Northern Hemisphere. One of these things is not like the other. Vegan diets — and I support them in principle — do little or nothing to reduce carbon emissions. Vegan diets just don't deliver enough calories and essential nutrients without (industrial) supplementation, and veganism depe…

Such a load of bull. I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing anything next time. It's clear as day you're wrong. It's the most impactful thing you can as an individual do. We need to stop fossil fuels asap, stop animal ag (deforestation, pollution, biodiversity loss, etc.), reform agriculture (soils, biodiversity, poisons) and start reforesting/afforesting. There are tons of studies t…

> I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing ...

Oh science again... You totalitarians are always calling for science when lacking arguments to convince people....

Nazism was supposedly based on race science. Communism was entirely scientific. So were COVID lockdowns.

And now climate science. It isn't science it is just weird millenarian religion. Please stop propagating your religious beliefs on HN.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by satysin »

wappieslurkz wrote: post #181
satysin wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a ~12 hour drive. No need to fly. I have far more shame about how much food I waste or worse how much I used to consume if I am honest. When I look at the environmental impact of the food I eat it dwarfs everything else. Even if I were to fly every time that would have been 42 two-hour flights over two decades. I wouldn't have shame over that number of flights considering I've worked with people that fly more th…

Apologies for my assumption you would fly there. And yes, I can also always mention worse examples, and those people probably can too. That's one of the cognitive dissonance reduction mechanisms that got us in so much trouble.

No need to apologise, it is a pretty logical thing to assume.

We have flown of course but more often we will drive as we usually break the journey up visiting friends and family in Barcelona and Valencia on the way.

It takes longer to drive obviously but it is a more relaxed journey than flying. Plus as we don't have any time restrictions such as with a hotel booking we can just take our time and if we decide to stay a few more days for whatever reason it doesn't require any changing of flights, etc. Also means we don't need to hire a car for our stay.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by wappieslurkz »

satysin wrote: post #183
wappieslurkz wrote: post #181

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Apologies for my assumption you would fly there. And yes, I can also always mention worse examples, and those people probably can too. That's one of the cognitive dissonance reduction mechanisms that got us in so much trouble.

No need to apologise, it is a pretty logical thing to assume. We have flown of course but more often we will drive as we usually break the journey up visiting friends and family in Barcelona and Valencia on the way. It takes longer to drive obviously but it is a more relaxed journey than flying. Plus as we don't have any time restrictions such as with a hotel booking we can just take our time and if we decide to stay…

But regardless, sorry to hear you might have to decide to let go of the villa because of the intense heat and humidity. It sure sounds like an amazing place.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by myshpa »

chewz wrote: post #182
myshpa wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Such a load of bull. I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing anything next time. It's clear as day you're wrong. It's the most impactful thing you can as an individual do. We need to stop fossil fuels asap, stop animal ag (deforestation, pollution, biodiversity loss, etc.), reform agriculture (soils, biodiversity, poisons) and start reforesting/afforesting. There are tons of studies t…

> I'm sick of people ignoring the science. Educate yourself before writing ... Oh science again... You totalitarians are always calling for science when lacking arguments to convince people.... Nazism was supposedly based on race science. Communism was entirely scientific. So were COVID lockdowns. And now climate science. It isn't science it is just weird millenarian religion. Please stop propagating your religious b…

Science isn't about belief or religion; it's about objective inquiry and understanding the world based on evidence.

It's okay to question and be critical, but dismissing scientific consensus without proper examination won't lead us anywhere.

Let's put aside the conspiracy theories and embrace the wonders of knowledge and progress that science offers ;)

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by candiodari »

geraneum wrote: post #114
Aerroon wrote: post #38

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But our oil consumption essentially is our way of life. Changing it will have enormous effects on modern life. A lot of people are going to see a significant drop in their quality of life as a result. This is why it's so hard to change things in the first place, it's not about the companies, but about average people.

I doubt the same people who won’t accept a decline in quality of life by reduced oil consumption will be thrilled with the consequences of the alternative.

You mean what's predicted to come tomorrow, and has little to no effect today? Anti-carbon policies however, will have immediate effects felt today, for benefits tomorrow ...

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by candiodari »

layer8 wrote: post #159
uxcolumbo wrote: post #98

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Yes true, but we have to keep trying to convince people in our circles. Otherwise we're effed. I would have hoped that especially this HN crowd would change their mind because it's quite clear and logical that not consuming meat and dairy will mean requiring fewer resources and producing less pollution.

Human habits, preferences, and desires rarely submit to pure logic. Humans are more emotional than rational.

It's not just that. If these products aren't used anymore, we'll substitute them to some other form of consumption.

If you want to have impact as an individual, study engineering/physics or indeed climate change ...

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by candiodari »

anothernewdude wrote: post #84
Aerroon wrote: post #38

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But our oil consumption essentially is our way of life. Changing it will have enormous effects on modern life. A lot of people are going to see a significant drop in their quality of life as a result. This is why it's so hard to change things in the first place, it's not about the companies, but about average people.

I'm happy with remote working.

Energy is why we burn fossil fuels. Energy is an input to everything. So this is about less consumption, or to put it another way: a drop in income. Let's say 10% less income for you, without you getting any compensation for it in any way. Other than reduced global climate impact.

Of course, you'd have to actually destroy that 10%, if you leave it on a bank account the bank would lend it, or the government would use it, which would prevent this from having an impact.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by r00fus »

wappieslurkz wrote: post #176
_l4jh wrote: post #94

Anecdotal story time. We have a family villa in Spain about an hour and a half south of Alicante. We just got back from two weeks there like we do every year. The heat and humidity this time was the first time it was too much so that we didn’t enjoy our time there. We’ve had this place 21 years. Yes it’s Spain and it’s always hot which is why we bought it but this year was something else. The mix of both very high te…

21 years of all that travelling back and forth to a family vacation home... My flight shame would kill me. How did/do you deal with that?

Our family flies every year for vacation. Notably unlike my friends and other family we don't usually travel much on airlines other than that.

I think the environmental impact of that one flight pales in comparison to the plastic packaging our family consumes on a yearly basis... and we are conscientious of our usage.

Re: Climate records tumble, leaving Earth in uncharted territory – scientists

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Post by r00fus »

Aerroon wrote: post #38
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #29

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We should take note that even now we have companies pushing back against any changes to our oil consumption. They're literally intent on destroying our way of life to get a bit more profit.

But our oil consumption essentially is our way of life. Changing it will have enormous effects on modern life. A lot of people are going to see a significant drop in their quality of life as a result. This is why it's so hard to change things in the first place, it's not about the companies, but about average people.

This is quite accurate in fact: to use a Dune analogy: oil is the spice. It must flow, or the empire is diminished and might fall apart.

There is an alternative however, and countries like China are pursuing it. Want to look at what life would be like with less petroleum usage per capita? Look to Asia. I'm not some tankie, but I also don't have blinders on.

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