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France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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>ACAB I think my biggest pet peeve with this line of thinking is that it's not a reform slogan and it's not productive. If someone actually thinks that, then where do you go from there.

> If someone actually thinks that, then where do you go from there.

People who believe in ACAB for the most part do not believe the current system can be reformed and are police abolitionists:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_abolition_movement

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #102

Doesn't the iPhone have a hardwired thing that displays the red dot when the camera is on? I guess they can say goodbye to all that "privacy first" marketing.

It's hardwired on the laptops, but it must be controlled by software on the phones because the dot is within the screen area.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #49

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There's always the faraday bag or simply not taking it to your meeting/activity that have been the recommended options for opsec even when phones had removable batteries.

Faraday bags are not effective against all frequencies. Specifically the 5G frequencies are known to be very difficult to block with a cage ( but do have relatively short ranges)

Would putting it inside a microwave work? I think I recall Snowden did that but I'm not entirely sure I remember correctly.

Edit: on the other hand, I'm now considering the possibility that the phone might be recording your audio even without network access and then transmit it later when you take it outside the microwave. So you'd have to be physically far away from the microwave for the microphone not to hear you, which means the microwave and faraday cages don't add anything useful.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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Well... industry taps into all your mic, gps and image library to send you personalized ads, and no one has really called it out, except be surprised when the ad shows up a minute after mentioning a product.. this to me sounds like tapping into the existing frameworks. likely the app providers giving access if not the phone manufacturer themselves.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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It also is ineffective at blocking audio which can be shipped out as soon as it comes out of the bag.

> It also is ineffective at blocking audio If you turn your phone off and immediately put it in a Faraday bag, how would it receive a remote command to turn on and start recording audio?

That's implying that it is actually off and not just pretending to be off, and that it requires a command to start recording instead of just constantly recording and only uploading when commanded to

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #54

Can we get the European Union to mandate physical toggles and shutters for mic and camera, now that they're also pushing for user-replaceable batteries?

Are you talking about the European Union that wants to permanently dismantle end to end encryption and full access to any and all texts sent between any number parties?

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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I regret getting a pixel, and not a fairphone with a removable battery With the current level of oversight on the police (police of police is a meme by now), and the level of cybersecurity at the government, everyone's phones will be activated within a few months. At least some government agent will have fun watching what ppl visit on the internet during their spare time, and can enable the camera to watch what they'…

They're already allowed to shoot you if you don't stop your car, all in the name fo fighting terrorism, so I'm not surprised they can snnop at your camera and microphone.

I'm quite sure this is linked to the recent protests.

Je suis Charlie > je suis la gendarmerie > l'etat, c'est moi. Back to 1655 in three easy steps.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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This bill could be step one. Step two could be a requirement for SW/HW manufacturers to add a backdoor since this is not really effective to fight crime this way. I'm not saying it is planned or there's some conspiracy for establishing a totalitarian state. But we can't really predict the future and more loose rules could be introduced by the next government with a totally different agenda who might thank for the pre…

> Step two could be a requirement for SW/HW manufacturers to add a backdoor since this is not really effective to fight crime this way We have already been there, it's just like good old phone calls. They can be intercepted under the proper judicial supervision. I don't have criteria to answer if this is a necessary evil or directly a blatant totalitarian push, but one needs to consider: does the French government ha…

The slippery slope argument can be overused.

But any surveillance capability results in “good” as well as bad actors, frustrated with the current limits, asking for just a little more formal power or finding ways to justify informal drift in practice.

The only way to stop surveillance creep is openness and clear principles more coherent than a recursive “well they have been responsible so far, so far as we know” argument.

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #173

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Y Combinator is an American company and the website is hosted in the US.

Personally I think that "X is an American site" is over-used and doesn't actually make all that much sense when applied to things that cover general world-spanning issues. But that's my opinion.

no one implied that, stop being silly

Re: France passes bill to allow police remotely activate phone camera, microphone

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post #113

I regret getting a pixel, and not a fairphone with a removable battery With the current level of oversight on the police (police of police is a meme by now), and the level of cybersecurity at the government, everyone's phones will be activated within a few months. At least some government agent will have fun watching what ppl visit on the internet during their spare time, and can enable the camera to watch what they'…

A Pixel phone probably gives you the best chance of resisting this sort of attack. The most vulnerable phones are the older, cheaper phones that run outdated versions of Android. Pixel phones are generally the first to get security updates, and so the quickest to get patches when spyware companies start using new bugs.

Nexus/Pixel devices literally come out of the box with Verizon background crapware installed that you cannot disable or remove even if you're not a Verizon customer.

Google long sold out, friend.

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