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Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by garbagecoder »

cushychicken wrote: post #158
garbagecoder wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SOSUS may have been classified but you could read about it 40+ years ago.

But not it's true purpose: tracking Soviet submarines.

Yes, people knew it's true purpose then. They were wrong about how it was laid out, but people knew about it. It was declassified 30 years ago or so. And much of it was not top secret, just secret. We use entirely different computers and networks for "just" secret vs. unclassified vs. "top" secret.

The exact way they do it now, where they do it, etc. is the secret. The mere existence of a sensitive listening system is not a secret that endangers national security if known; the opposite is true, we want people to know/think they can't move a tennis ball underwater without us hearing it. Knowing enough about it to get past it is such a secret.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

chakintosh wrote: post #155
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Damn, why don't we execute people that way (if we're still executing people, that is)?

Because the executed's family still have a right to bury their dead, not poor him in closed casket. Besides, once the person is executed, it's considered they paid for their actions and deserve basic human decency.

Man. Retributive justice done in a potentially more painful way so that family members can do a ritual on your corpse. I hope our society continues becoming more enlightened. :D

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by garbagecoder »

twoodfin wrote: post #165
cushychicken wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not it's true purpose: tracking Soviet submarines.

It wasn’t quite 40 years ago, but there’s a line in the film The Hunt for Red October (1990) that explicitly describes SOSUS as a submarine “warning net”. Knowing Tom Clancy, I’d guess there are similar references in the book (1984). If it was meant to be a secret it wasn’t well-kept.

Script written in 1982. People thought he had access to classified info, but he didn't.[1] He was just using what we now call OSINT. There is a lot more about SOSUS in Red Storm Rising which was only a few years later.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/1986/08/12/books/author-of-red-octob...

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

JennaDawn20 wrote: post #80

Does anyone know if they had any “deep-sea” or “submersible” cameras recording the expedition and can recover those cameras/footage to help in knowing what happened?

Implosion's too fast to be captured unless you're using a dedicated high-speed camera.

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Post by trogdor »

Ratiofarmings wrote: post #135
ALittleLight wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Hey, we're pretty sure your family is dead, because we heard them die, but we're going to give you a few days of thinking they're suffocating to death in a cold dark can because..." This is just reasoning after the fact. It doesn't make sense to conceal evidence. If this used some secret technology, okay, why say it publicly now? If it's okay to be public, why not a few days ago?

Because dealing with it internally and informing the public are two entirely different things. They may well have told the families some things, but not the public. Afterall this is a privately funded venture and the rescue effort isn't going to be paid for by the public either. They owe us nothing.

>the rescue effort isn't going to be paid for by the public either

That is not true. The federal government does not charge for search and rescue.

Why do you believe otherwise?

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by Sylamore »

m_0x wrote: post #5

Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD7CfnQC5HQ

Watch how quickly those glass objects imploded as much lower pressures than they would have been at, it would have happened faster than their brains could have comprehended it, so there's some mercy in that at least.

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Post by jhbadger »

lm28469 wrote: post #153
ALittleLight wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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People shouldn't even be aware of the loss of this sub. I feel like we're in a black mirror episode, who gives a fuck ? seriously

It's worth knowing just how unregulated the whole "adventure tourism" industry is. You might be not in the wealth bracket for Titanic tours, but there are more reasonably priced "adventurous" things you could do and it is worth being aware that nobody seems to be checking if these things are safe.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by ALittleLight »

aredox wrote: post #161
ALittleLight wrote: post #77

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They heard the implosion at the same time they lost contact with the sub. Why not say that? There is neither added nor diminished risk to life by revealing or concealing that. As for what the point of informing the public is - the government serves the public and the public was interested. Without a compelling reason to keep information secret the government should share. As

Your voyeurism is annoying and very off-putting. Find yourself saner hobbies.

4/5 of your last comments are about this topic.

The government shouldn't conceal information to mislead the public without some compelling reason. Since no reason exists here, the government shouldn't have done that.

Re: Top secret U.S. Navy system heard titan implosion days ago

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Post by aredox »

ALittleLight wrote: post #189
aredox wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your voyeurism is annoying and very off-putting. Find yourself saner hobbies.

4/5 of your last comments are about this topic. The government shouldn't conceal information to mislead the public without some compelling reason. Since no reason exists here, the government shouldn't have done that.

Yeah, and I don't complain we should be informed of everything and anything and what a scandal it is that we're not. What's your point?
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