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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#181

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> Say something the majority dont like and you're downvoted into oblivion So? That's how every society works everywhere. Don't disturb the peace. You are an adult. You're entitled to your opinion, but you should have the courage of your convictions. Reddit is no different from other social media platforms in this regard, even HN.

That's not how for example newspapers work. They will publish opinion pieces from people and with opinions that they themselves strongly disagree with, because they see it as their duty to promote freedom of speech and a healthy public debate. Or parliament debates, where representatives for smaller parties get to have their say on equal terms as the big dogs. Some countries even force radio and TV stations to air a…

I'm happy to say that even HN largely doesn't work like that: many of us upvote comments with which we disagree because they are well thought-out or interesting, and made us reconsider our viewpoints, even if we ultimately settled on the same viewpoint as before.

Or at minimum we don't downvote as knee-jerk psychological defense mechanism.

And Dang doesn't go around removing comments and commenters he philosophically disagrees with either, even when they're obviously wrong or hyper-emotional, so long as they're not hurting the community.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#182

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> Personally, I'm working on a reddit bot to spam the site/pm users with the truth I hope that is sarcasm. Consent is important, and spamming people with whatever pet theory you've decided is the "truth" is certainly not the actions of a moral person.

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> This is war,

That pretty much sums up most online forums these days.

Most of one group: This disagrees with my views. I'm going to boycott it / ridicule it / or ask it to go elsewhere / some/all of the above.

Most of another: This disagrees with my views. THIS IS WAR, I will destroy it!

A few sensible people on all sides try to have a more mature debate, but are drowned out by the cacophony, mostly from those declaring war.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#183

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What else can I add? You've seen my interactions here. Does it seem to you like the kind of person you’re interacting with is reasonable here but unreasonable to the point of group toxicity elsewhere? Or that I'm unreasonable here?

Yes. Your initial comment here was unsupported by real world examples, and used a lot of rage-bait buzzwords. When asked to put up a concrete example, no-one called you a fascist/nazi/transphobe in the example. They banned you for, according to you, "just asking questions" on a country specific coronavirus subreddit. Your tone comes off as "I'm right, they're wrong. I'm the victim here!"

"Just asking questions" is the biggest red flag of ill intent, its not doubt I would ban someone for resorting to that. Especially if we look at the facts given in the comment.

" saying at the time we didn't yet know how many doses and on what schedule of the vaccine would be needed."

"I messaged the mods to explain that I was triple-vaxxed "

So we can infer from this post that this happened sometime after Aug 2021. So someone went into the Canada Coronavirus group, a group where posts seem to get tens of comments, and brought up completely innocently, "how we don't know how many doses" we need. To make a broader point on what... could it have been, "how we shouldn't have a mandate?"

Perhaps this was closer to Feb/2022 where the Trucker protest was raging across Canada. Of course, the mods may not want a big flamewar over mandates in their group that seems like a niche information aggregation sub.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#184

I still read Digg, along with HN, Reddit, slashdot, metafilter, lobste.rs, kottke, boing boing and many other sources of news and links. I’ve always been an information junkie. High brow, low brow, I don’t care. I want it all.

Sorry if it's too much to ask, but would you mind posting a list of your common sources? I'm familiar with everything you've posted, I'm always looking for new sites.

http://boingboing.net

http://digg.com

http://news.ycombinator.com

http://slashdot.org

http://www.drudgereport.com

http://www.engadget.com

http://www.nytimes.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

https://engineeringblogs.xyz

https://gizmodo.com/latest

https://kk.org/cooltools

https://kottke.org

https://lobste.rs

https://nowiknow.com/archives

https://old.reddit.com

https://pluralistic.net

https://www.bogleheads.org

https://www.darkroastedblend.com

https://www.garbageday.email/archive

https://www.google.com/trends/hottrends

https://www.metafilter.com

https://www.neatorama.com

https://www.newsbreak.com

https://www.openculture.com

https://www.recomendo.com

https://www.youtube.com/feed/trending

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#185

Albeit unpopular opinion, this kind of things is one of the reasons why I'll always push for Java instead of a jigsaw of different languages that sound cool. Stability, scalability and simplicity. Yes, you read correctly. Whomever complains that Java is bloated or complex, needs only to look on who is writing that "piece" of code. Expert developers will write proper code that anyone can maintain and keep simple. Too…

Digg didn't fail because it didn't use Java, that's preposterous. Java isn't more scalable, stable or simple than any other solution, that's Java consultancy bullshit.

> Java isn't more scalable, stable or simple than any other solution, that's Java consultancy bullshit.

Twitter would disagree[0].

> We now have the capacity to serve 10x the number of requests per machine. This means we can support the same number of requests with fewer servers, reducing our front-end service costs.

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0: https://www.infoq.com/articles/twitter-java-use/

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#186

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> Personally, I'm working on a reddit bot to spam the site/pm users with the truth I hope that is sarcasm. Consent is important, and spamming people with whatever pet theory you've decided is the "truth" is certainly not the actions of a moral person.

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That's called Righteousness.

Until you win hearts and minds, nobody's going to want to hear what you have to say. Strafing a community with truth bombs will not endear them to you, even if you're right.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#187

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That's not how for example newspapers work. They will publish opinion pieces from people and with opinions that they themselves strongly disagree with, because they see it as their duty to promote freedom of speech and a healthy public debate. Or parliament debates, where representatives for smaller parties get to have their say on equal terms as the big dogs. Some countries even force radio and TV stations to air a…

I'm happy to say that even HN largely doesn't work like that: many of us upvote comments with which we disagree because they are well thought-out or interesting, and made us reconsider our viewpoints, even if we ultimately settled on the same viewpoint as before. Or at minimum we don't downvote as knee-jerk psychological defense mechanism. And Dang doesn't go around removing comments and commenters he philosophically…

I think the ability to block/ignore users would be much better than having down votes. If some poster is simply insufferable to a person, better that they have the ability to block than that they silence by downvoting.

And upvoting people you disagree with if they move the discussion forward in a good way is something we all should do, but it is a struggle.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#188
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> This is war, a sitting US president was mass censored by the same ideology and I plan on fighting back This never happened and you seem unwell

How so? A sitting United States president was mass banned a few days apart by Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, Reddit, Apple, etc. Hell, even Shopify, a Canadian company joined in the fun.

There is a difference in perspective here. Being a sitting president didn't excuse him from breaking their codes of conduct.

A person who broke their codes of conduct, who also happened to be a sitting president, was mass banned.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#189
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>every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Nobody on Reddit has called me any of those things.

Me neither, they just banned me for posting on subs they didn't like

I was banned from many subs just for being subbed to the "wrong" ones. I haven't even posted there.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

#190

Albeit unpopular opinion, this kind of things is one of the reasons why I'll always push for Java instead of a jigsaw of different languages that sound cool. Stability, scalability and simplicity. Yes, you read correctly. Whomever complains that Java is bloated or complex, needs only to look on who is writing that "piece" of code. Expert developers will write proper code that anyone can maintain and keep simple. Too…

I think its probably fair to say that we as individual developers are always going to push for the thing we are most familiar and comfortable with. Almost nothing is "complicated" or "bloated" if you are really productive with it and know all the pain points to avoid. My experience with Java is that the language is great, but the ecosystem and tooling is where the bloat and complexity comes in. If I were really accustomed to this ecosystem then I probably wouldn't hold this opinion.
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