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An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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Ok well this makes some sense -- the Gitea business model, where a pretty complex piece of s/w is developed open source primarily funded by one or more business deploying said s/w as a commercial SaaS.

But...while QB is a dumpster fire, it has incredibly deep and finicky functionality. Accountants know how to make magic "integrity override" journal entries in its data. It understands how to electronically file a W-2 report in all 50 states. And on and on.

I'd be surprised if any OSS solution ever has this richness of functionality, with the level of trust in its correctness required for money and taxes. The SaaS vendor might be able to produce such a thing but it'll end up being the "enterprise upgrade" that isn't available OSS.

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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It never seems like any of these opensource accounting solutions have bank feeds? Why would anyone manually import bank info when an automatic feed exists.

Back in the day bank feeds were horrific to develop but these days I think there are aggregate feed services. Seems like you could just implement support for one of those?

Keep meaning to look into if you can get this through Stripe. :)

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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Personally I like Discourse. Similar to an old-school forum like phpbb, but with a neat and modern UI.

~~~Well, besides the whole thing about my previous comment that everything you write in Discord stays in Discord and is basically not findable unless you're already a part of the Discord. While phpbb (or any public forum really) is by default readable by anyone, so searching for questions let you find answers without having to sign in and join the forum.~~~ Edit: Misheard parent...

Discord and Discourse are two separate things.

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

#184

I use freshbooks for my small business (timekeeping, expenses, invoicing) and I just received notice my annual subscription fee will be increased from $270/yr to $324/yr. Not only have they not added any new features to justify this fee increase, but they have actually removed a few features that I depended on like multi-currency reports. I am actively looking for an alternative.

Same here - mostly just need something for invoicing etc. and its just outrageously expensive.

I have been eyeing up https://www.waveapps.com/ as a free alternative (not open source though) but I have not seen it mentioned much in this thread so either its just less known or not very good.

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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Of course, there are lots of businesses who fit this description. This is nothing new. That does not mean that millions don't benefit from and are happy using Quickbooks. Before the mob interprets what I am saying through their reality distortion field, I should note I am NOT hating on FOSS and defending closed-source software as general categories. There is such a thing as useful industry-standard software on both s…

Why are you so aggressive in your tone? > This is nothing new. That does not mean that millions don't benefit Nobody claimed this is new or that not millions benefit or are happy with QB (source needed though). > Before the mob interprets what I am saying through their reality distortion field Which mob? Reality distortion? Nobody was accusing you of hating FOSS, why do you feel you need to defend yourself? > This do…

> Why are you so aggressive in your tone?

You are reading something into my comments that isn't there. Don't take it personally, none of it is aimed at the person I was replying to anyway.

> source needed though

Ah, the HN response when...

Evident to anyone who actually knows anything about how businesses work. Still, here, go to page 5:

https://www.codat.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Codat_Guide-...

This is for 2020. Numbers for 2023 are likely larger.

Quickbooks offerings have a 75% dominance of the market. And, for a good reason. This is the standard I was talking about.

Again, nobody gives a shit about FOSS, only us nerds. In other words, those of us who likely live two or more standard deviations from the mean. Go ask your local dentist if she gives a shit about FOSS.

Everywhere else under the curve, people want to focus on their core business and get on with the job of making money, supporting their families, innovating and growing their business. Their accountant/CPA says "Use Quickbooks. It will make the process simpler". That's what they do. The cost is a rounding error for any non-trivial business. FOSS does not matter. What matters is solving a non-revenue-generating problem in a way that does not consume clock cycles and moving on to more important things.

> Which mob? Reality distortion? Nobody was accusing you of hating FOSS, why do you feel you need to defend yourself?

Saying anything even remotely in favor of paid closed-source software or hardware is considered "unholy" by a certain segment of the tech community. Online, they can be quite vocal and even aggressive. They generally lack what I call "real world sense of proportion and common sense" and behave as FOSS absolutists. At the extremes, it is a cult or a mob or a group of seriously misguided individuals who lack context.

I love FOSS and support it as much as possible. I hope to be able to have the time to contribute to some of it (KiCAD, I have you at the top of the list!) when I retire. However, very frequently in business you have to make decisions based on what gets the job done so you can focus on what you were there to do in the first place.

I have tons of examples of this. We have been licensing Solidworks almost since it came out. This amounts to tens of thousands of dollars per seat. Our SW Flow and Thermal simulation license probably cost tens of thousands of dollars per seat as well. And the same is the case for our SW CAM tools. I'd have to do the math, yet I would not be surprised to learn that the full suite of SW tools and SW cost us in the order of $75K to $100K to license and maintain over the years. And that was, and continues to be, the right decision. It's the right tool for the job. We get to focus on our core business of developing technology. We have immediate support and points of contact whenever we need something, anything. The software is good and always getting better. And it is a standard (much like Quickbooks is a standard).

We actually pay for a Fusion360 license, yet, we've had difficulties using it in some cases because some of the work we do falls under ITAR regulations and the whole cloud thing can be a serious non-starter for that world. In other words, while it is cheaper, it's a non-starter because it would introduce more problems than we would ever care to deal with.

Another example is paying for the Jetbrains tool suite. Excellent software. It works. We get to focus on other things that matter. Yeah, we also use VSCode where it makes sense. We pay for lots of other tools when it makes sense. Photoshop and the Adobe suite is another example of something that is still a standard.

In business, any second spent focusing on anything other than your core revenue-generating mission is a second wasted. While FOSS can be great when it works well, anyone with any experience has stories of problems that can burn time at a massive rate. There's a place for everything.

> There is no such thing as moral high ground?

Some feel that being a FOSS absolutist is a moral high ground. There is no such thing as a moral high ground purely based on whether software is free and/or open source or paid and/or closed source.

To state it in the simplest possible terms: You pick-up and use a screwdriver because it gets the job done. It matters not if that screwdriver was given to you for free along with full design files on how to make your own or you bought it at the store. What matters is that it let you tighten the screw and you move on.

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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~~~Well, besides the whole thing about my previous comment that everything you write in Discord stays in Discord and is basically not findable unless you're already a part of the Discord. While phpbb (or any public forum really) is by default readable by anyone, so searching for questions let you find answers without having to sign in and join the forum.~~~ Edit: Misheard parent...

Discord and Discourse are two separate things.

Damn, of course, misread that... Thank you for catching my silly mistake :)

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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> This goes strongly against the spirit of self-hosting where you know what you're running and you see the steps and all the integrations that are needed, including any reliance on third-party services that may come back to bite you. No it doesn't. Just read the Dockerfile, it's self documenting and contains all the build steps.

Or to put it nicely. If you don't want to run docker you can read the Dockerfile as it will contain all of the build step. Then you can enter everything yourself manually.

Most of the time a Dockerfile is a very useful living installation reference documentation, but it's not guaranteed. It's entirely possible to encounter a Dockerfile that's just copying in binaries built outside of Docker or was a published image capture of hand installed stuff that is just being referenced in downstream images.

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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This depends on whether the Dockerfile is available somewhere right?

I don't think so, and (honest question) isn't a dockerfile always available somehow from somewhere?

Yeah but it doesn't mean they're useful as non-Docker build steps for reproducing an image.

For example: https://hub.docker.com/layers/library/mysql/latest/images/sh...

"ADD file:e15c235506d8dd134e69d458a7c0afefef1522e9d0cfb28e3538760ddf032785" isn't much help in installing MySQL on a bare metal server.

It's also not something commonly done (I've never seen a project do it), but you can also just push around a very simple base image like a plain Debian image and then move around an image's runtime filesystem through `docker export` as .tar.gz which could have been crafted by someone who started an interactive shell session and just manually performed some install steps without recording what was being done. It's still technically a containerized system but it does obscure or omit a lot of the value proposition.

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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Real time chat in general and discord in particular. Discord cannot be self-hosted, so any support message history will be completely reliant on the goodwill of discord. Another problem with using a chat channel for support (slack has the same problem) is searching for things you know are there but are impossible to find again.

so you want them to roll-out a discord like platform themselves?

No, I want knowledge-base style documentation and faqs. Something slightly better than this single question:

https://docs.bigcapital.ly/docs/faq

Re: An open-source alternative to QuickBooks

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> 'support' link is a link to Discord For a FOSS project targeting people who are comfortable using FOSS this seems entirely fine...desirable even. "We don't have money for phone staff who would put you on hold and only be reading off scripted responses anyway, but you can come chat directly with the leaders and maintainers of the software by chat".

Discord really isn't acceptable as long as they require a phone number to sign in.

(not arguing that discord should be used for these kinds of projects, just an aside)

to my knowledge, this is is only an optional moderation feature on some servers, not a global policy - you can still use discord without an email address if the server rules are loose enough

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