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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Fasterthanlime is something like my spirit animal. Prolific and educational blogs that have challenged my knowledge with whimsy joy and catharsis. Also apparently emotionally intelligent and making the right moves here. Sometimes it's better to drop out and start something new. An unofficial convention would be fantastic. I'm sick of the clout chasing in these niche tech areas, it always drowns out the real passion a…

Ain't that the old problem, the ones who should be in those positions tend to run from them and those that shouldn't run towards those positions. I don't think it's a problem we're anywhere close to solving unfortunately. We just sort of assign someone who seems reluctant about it but won't run from the position, but in most cases we just let whoever asks first!

Might be interesting to make it completely democratic so less inside recruiting happens. Using ranked choice community wide voting with fill ins. Otherwise stuff might rot from the inside...

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Time for a fork? "Rust without identity politics?" Require anonymity and disclaimers of any human presence (virtues or failings) in regards to the Project in order to become a contributor. Call it "Dust". Mascot could be a crab louse.

They already have crablang: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35592005

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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It is not as if the C++ standards committee, or Google (go) or Oracle (Java) are free from drama. It just tends to leak into public view less frequently.

C++ and Java are huge. Drama or no drama simply stops to matter at that size. These languages are here to stay. Golang is also becoming rather big, although doesn't make a big deal out of it imho, as the community is barely ever evangelizing about it. And so far, the only actual drama I am aware of, was the telemetry stuff, and that resolved itself nicely.

> C++ and Java are huge. Drama or no drama simply stops to matter at that size. These languages are here to stay.

That makes zero sense. Drama does not simply stop because a language gets big enough. Some of Java's drama made it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Golang has lots of good examples of design discussions without vitriol in their RFCs and proposals. There is the occasional bikeshedding and needless bickering granted, but it mostly stays civil and is the most mature language community I've ever had the pleasure of being a part of.

I think there might be a connection between Go's pragmatism and the culture fostered around it and Rust's correctness and its culture. On the other hand, it could be that Google owning Go makes the bigger difference. I know that Ian Lance Taylor created several versions of generics that got shot down, which must have been frustrating. However, I don't remember hearing the slightest bit of internal conflict from the c…

Similarly, in the C#/.NET community, most of the drama fits one of the following two archetypes:

1) MS taking control of something the community doesn't want them taking control of

2) Important open source third party library switching to a proprietary license

Rarely do you see drama centered around specific individuals like you see in the Rust or JavaScript communities. So I think that lends some further credence to your theory that the design goals of the language help foster specific cultures around them.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

#185

It's not JeanHeyd Meneide's (PhD) first time rage quitting. He has a history of this. He previously rage quitted from the C++ community and moved to the C community. I wonder where he's moving to next. https://youtu.be/vaLKm9FE8oo

So we should blame the victim?

"You run into assholes all day? you're the asshole" - Raylan Givens (Justified)

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

#186

This is why I refuse to take Rust, Go, or Swift seriously. There are so many other languages out there that aren't insanely political with so many people's hands in it. There is no way good decisions can be made in an environment like that. Of course, the main advantage of joining the Rust cult is that the job market for "Rust programmers" is pretty well-defined, so labeling yourself as a "Rust programmer" will allow…

come to elixir. Everyone is focused on making the language and ecosystem awesome with no drama.

Do not come to Elixir. We care about people and intentions, those that don't aren't welcome.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Not sure if you are speaking out of knowledge of this particular individual but with respect to other cultures, a biological male presenting as female does not necessarily mean trans the way western cultures think of it. Japanese Okama culture, for instance, is an entirely different animal. I don't know this specific person just thought I'd share that misgendering isn't as black and white as even a lot of trans peopl…

“she/her” on @lina@vt.social

Asahi Lina is widely believed to be a persona of Hector Martin (aka marcan) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35251905 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35238601 .

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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It is not as if the C++ standards committee, or Google (go) or Oracle (Java) are free from drama. It just tends to leak into public view less frequently.

I think that's the point. Drama in the C++ community is handled more professionally, in the Rust community it turns into temper tantrums.

>I think that's the point. Drama in the C++ community is handled more professionally,

I'm very skeptical of this based on what I hear of committee meetings. And committee members occasionally snipe at each other in public on /r/cpp.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Wish we had more role models these days who were willing to disagree with decisions and work to fix them rather than loudly resign or point fingers. Feels like there is a lot of pressure these days that if you are part of a "bad" system then _you_ are bad, even if you are trying to improve it from the inside. So it's understandable people quit instead of taking on the burden of having to prove their "goodness", it's…

Golang has lots of good examples of design discussions without vitriol in their RFCs and proposals. There is the occasional bikeshedding and needless bickering granted, but it mostly stays civil and is the most mature language community I've ever had the pleasure of being a part of.

Almost all of the work the rust project does is like this too. The RFC process is pretty consistently lovely. People just go back and forth talking about different design approaches with respect and thoughtfulness. I wish decisions happened faster, but decisions certainly get made and everyone is listened to.

These conversations just don’t make the front page of HN.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Asahi Lina is who they identify as. It is likely a pseudonym but I see no source for any other name. So I have no reason to believe it's Hector. I would rather not make assumptions about someone beyond what they present themselves as, so as far as I'm concerned, they are Asahi Lina She/Her

Ok, but we can still make an educated guess on who's behind the fictional cartoon character...

To what end?
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