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Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Re: Tesla Model Y overtakes Corolla to be world’s best-selling car in 2023

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Post by resolutebat »

jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

> Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla.

Which only makes this even more remarkable. What's going to happen when the Tesla 2 comes out and sells for the same price as a Corolla?

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Post by tallytarik »

resolutebat wrote: post #173
mikeryan wrote: post #137

One thing that EV's have an advantage of is the reduced footprint of their drivetrain. The primary bulk of an EV is the massive battery that usually spans the bottom of the car opening up space in the interior or the ubiquitous EV "frunk" this makes for a more spacious interior and the Y takes advantage of this well. That being said it seems that 2023 is the year of the EV, my family is currently in the market for a…

If you're in the market, go for a couple of test drives. The competition is mostly regular ICE cars with a battery bolted on, while Teslas are designed from ground up as EVs and it shows throughout in ways big and small. We were originally leaning towards getting a Polestar, but the difference between driving one and a Tesla is night and day.

Out of curiosity, what did you prefer about the Tesla over the Polestar?

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Post by borissk »

resolutebat wrote: post #179
borissk wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FWIW I've been driving German cars my whole life and never had one break. Never had to think about motor belts or engine filters - just visit a garage for planned maintenance every year or whatever miles the manual states. Tesla are an amazing company, that made EVs mainstream, but I'm never going to buy one. They don't know what the word "privacy" means.

For comparison, here's the Tesla maintenance schedule: none.

Is that magic Tesla schedule or any EV schedule?

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Post by Mawr »

justrealist wrote: post #108
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #91

For people buying new cars, yeah I guess I understand that being true. America prefers SUVs, but it's an interesting statistic. The Corolla is purchased by those who want an affordable sedan, as well as the affluent who don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla and are putting their money in other things like their home and marketable securities. The Ford F-150 is a vehicle used widely by commerc…

> don't want the unreliability of a German luxury car or a Tesla I truly beg you to talk to an actual Tesla owner to refine your opinions. EVs are practically 0-maintenance machines. Unless you need to change your tires... you just don't think about oil changes or motor belts breaking or engine filters clogging and all the other nonsense that breaks in an ICE car. If you hate Tesla that's a completely valid opinion,…

- "Tesla was both the least reliable but most popular EV brand in a survey of owners that found one in three of all EVs had major issues in the past year" [1]

- "Electric vehicles are less reliable than gas cars, according to a survey of UK drivers." [1]

- "Kia was the most reliable EV maker in the study, while Tesla was the least reliable." [1]

- "Consumer Reports Still Ranks Tesla Reliability 27th Out Of 28" [2]

- "The Model Y still has body hardware issues with the tailgate and door alignment, paint defects, and multiple other problems." [2]

[1]: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-least-reliable-ev-bran...

[2]: https://insideevs.com/news/549130/consumerreports-tesla-reli...

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

shusaku wrote: post #129
umeshunni wrote: post #107

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They had a 10 year head start on EVs (well, Hybrids), with the Prius and blew it. Worse: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/07/toyota-bet-wrong-on-evs...

How much does this really matter? I feel like Tesla is strong in the market because they figured out how to market an EV as a sports car. Toyota was never going to do that.

It probably doesn’t matter. There are plenty of people who want simpler cars, but still want an electric drive train. There must be loads of us holding out for a Corolla or Camry like EV.

I don’t understand why Toyota has not produced a model like this and is doubling down on their Hybrids and hydrogen engines.

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Post by toast0 »

borissk wrote: post #130
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #110

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the Prius prime is a legitimately pretty great hybrid, but it took them a shocking long time to get there.

A hybrid car is a very complicated machine - more so than an EV, a turbo petrol or a diesel.

Turbos aren't very simple. The 'toyota synergy' style hybrid transaxle is a whole lot less complicated than most transaxles too. ICE cars already had an electric starter motor, so it's just adding a second electric motor and some batteries and a charging circuit.

The benefits are clear. Immense range, lower fuel consumption, longer maintenance intervals vs an ICE only, etc.

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Post by nradov »

ChatGTP wrote: post #147
shusaku wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much does this really matter? I feel like Tesla is strong in the market because they figured out how to market an EV as a sports car. Toyota was never going to do that.

An electric Toyota Supra would easily outsell most Tesla's. It's a much nicer looking car than anything I've seen come from Tesla, the interior is so well done too. It's a shame they've lost it.

The Toyota Supra looks nice but it only holds 2 people and has no cargo capacity. Sports cars like that will always be low-volume niche products regardless of whether they're electric or not.

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Post by simion314 »

jancsika wrote: post #148

Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales. Model Y is 2 times as expensive as a Corolla. Plus you can go and find an older Corolla with 100k+ miles on it and pay perhaps $5k cash for it, then drive it for another 50-100k. I don't see people in the service industry picking up a used Tesla, now or in the foreseeable future.

>Translation: luxury vehicles are the future of car sales.

Not in Europe, I was surprised to read that Dacia Sandero a model designed to be cheap was the best seller this year(in Europe), they also hit record sales last year. There are lot of people that do not have the moneyor do not want to spend it on luxury. (and btw before someone points the bad safety rating of Dacia, most of the bad score is because of missing of modern active safety stuff)

https://www.romania-insider.com/dacia-sandero-best-sold-euro...

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Post by vardump »

croes wrote: post #176
sixQuarks wrote: post #144

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I was wondering how HN was going to spin this. The problem with this argument is that the Model Y by itself outsold the entire BMW electric lineup combined. In fact, 4 times the entire combined amount.

Maybe because the typical BMW customer prefers combustion engines. Look at the overall sales not just EV

Tesla sold 1,247,146 cars in 2022. This year somewhere between 1.6M - 2.0M.

Last year BMW sold about 2.4M cars, so Tesla is quickly catching up in terms of numbers.

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