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Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by spajus »

jcpst wrote: post #93
wodenokoto wrote: post #71

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I can promise you there are many, many professional musicians who will be first in line to upgrade their Mac. I’m a professional programmer it’s not like I test if my mouse or keyboard will work with a new windows update.

Maybe amateurs… Professionals tend to keep a stable system running for as long as possible. The first studio I worked in had a B room that was running OS 9 at a point where OS X had been out for 7 years. My current setup at home is a 2010 MacMini on v10.13, using a firewire interface. I plan to keep it running as long as possible.

What do professionals do when the hardware fails? Do they have regular backups, then buy the same hardware on ebay and then restore the "golden" setup?

I recently tried to reinstall an old MacBook 13" that had a hard drive replacement. I couldn't log in to perform the install, Apple servers were throwing me an error. The only choice I had is to put another OS on it.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by visarga »

coldtea wrote: post #175
pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

you remember individual comments from 15 years ago?

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by squarefoot »

pier25 wrote: post #158

I owned a Push 2 and sold it after a year. Never got into it because the pads weren't very good. Soft touches sometimes triggered notes at max velocity which drove me nuts. The Push 3 has more sophisticated pads with MPE and I'm very skeptical Ableton could pull that off with good QA. The other thing that I find ridiculous is they sell you a barebones computer for $1,000 with an i3, 8GB of RAM, and 256GB SSD. A compu…

> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro

Swap real pads and knobs for a touch screen? No thanks, even if they would give it to me for free. Not judging Ableton stuff prices, and I'm also not into this kind of devices (aside my Korg Padkontrol) because as a prog rock wannabe musician I would probably have little use for them, but when using electronic instruments, nothing comes close to real things you can manipulate, read state, and get tactile feedback from. Touch screens can look indeed cool, but they're way behind real controls when it comes to input capabilities.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by nemo1618 »

visarga wrote: post #182
coldtea wrote: post #175

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> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

you remember individual comments from 15 years ago?

It's a rather notorious HN comment, pretty much our equivalent of "No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame."

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by dingnuts »

visarga wrote: post #182
coldtea wrote: post #175

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> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

you remember individual comments from 15 years ago?

That one in particular is somewhat famous and gets trotted out as an example of a bad, wrong take, highly upvoted and missing the point of the product because the audience here is so technical they can barely perceive normal users' problems

It's sort of ironic now, though, because Dropbox has not been doing very well the last few years, because their product wasn't novel enough to compete with the better-integrated solutions from Microsoft, Apple, and Google that Dropbox inspired

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by chriswait »

visarga wrote: post #182
coldtea wrote: post #175

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> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

you remember individual comments from 15 years ago?

This comment is unusually well known. If you google the url wrapped in quotes, you'll see it referred to as "the famous/infamous dropbox comment".

It's become something of a symbol for how hackernews commenters sometimes confidently miss the appeal of products/services. It's relevant here because the Push 3 doesn't compete with iPads on processing power.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by uneekname »

visarga wrote: post #182
coldtea wrote: post #175

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> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

you remember individual comments from 15 years ago?

The linked comment is something of an in-joke on Hacker News. BrandonM famously provided some quick, critical feedback on a Dropbox announcement. Dropbox of course went on to see a lot of success.

Edit: it looks like a few other folks responded with a similar comment as I did. Sorry to spam you.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by moojd »

mtalantikite wrote: post #177
moojd wrote: post #128

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Nords are for gigging artists that want every feature accessable via physical controls on the device with minimal setup. If you are willing to bring your laptop on stage there are probably better cheaper options. That being said used Electro's can be affordable and they are really fun devices to own. There is also a nice small community of people hacking on them. My current hobby project is reverse engineering the el…

I had considered going the route of a nice midi controller and software, but ultimately when I wake up in the morning and sit down to practice I don't want to be on the computer with the seemingly infinite potential for distraction. I bought a Nord Grand a couple years ago and I'm really glad that I did. The action feels great and the sounds are good enough (although I really would love a new grand piano sample). My…

Yep, I love my nord for the same reasons as you (and also the excellent b3+leslie emulation on the electro/stage). I stare at a screen all day so when it comes to practice or playing gigs I prefer it over midi + laptop/ipad. That being said, I don't want to discourage anyone from going the laptop route. You gain a ton of flexibility and if you already own the laptop it's way cheaper to get started. It's all just preference at the end of the day.

Re: Ableton Push 3

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Post by coldtea »

visarga wrote: post #182
coldtea wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For that kind of money you could buy an M2 iPad Pro with more performance and a lot more battery time than 2.5 hours This has a strong https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224 vibe to it. The computing-part hardware specs don't matter at all, the same way you don't compare the cpu specs of a phone or a synth to a laptop or tablet. This is about the interface, pads, firmware, comprehensiveness and convenience as a…

you remember individual comments from 15 years ago?

No, it's a famous comment that has become sort of a HN/hackerspace meme.
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