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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by hammyhavoc »

coldtea wrote: post #142
smoldesu wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All that's well and good, I'm mostly just agreeing with the people who suggest a Macbook for this. The iPad runs iOS, it's gimped for all kinds of creative applications. I won't judge you if you've found a workflow to apply it to, but the status quo feels unchanged. Professional DAWs existed on iPad before, the world beneath our feet didn't crumble or anything. > Besides, you can always connect an external midi keybo…

> The iPad runs iOS, it's gimped for all kinds of creative applications. It's also a great form for many kinds of creative applications, and it's a very hassle-free, it just works experience for those.

How hassle-free it is for a given workflow or user is highly subjective and relative to the task at hand. The file management on iOS is still a dumpster fire.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by intrasight »

tomduncalf wrote: post #46
ricokatayama wrote: post #39

I'm still a bit skeptical about Logic's ability to be a full-featured DAW on the iPad. The move is great, but we need to tackle several challenges to make it suitable for final editing rather than just a work support tool: - It needs to have open and comprehensive plugin support - The workflow for uploading and exporting content needs to be seamless, and the iPad OS is still limited in this regard - Screen size and r…

> It needs to have open and comprehensive plugin support iOS has a thriving plugin scene, using the AUv3 (Audio Unit) format. Search the App Store for "AUv3" and check out the huge range of synths, effects, etc. In addition to smaller devs, there are some big players who have ported their flagship plugins (FabFilter, Eventide etc.) > The workflow for uploading and exporting content needs to be seamless, and the iPad…

Plugin vendors should get on board pretty quickly.

However, I expect them all to follow suit and use a subscription model. But this may be preferable than shelling out a couple hundred up front for each one. Vendors that have lots of virtual instruments will likely have attractive bundle subscription prices.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by LegitShady »

dagmx wrote: post #29
meghan_rain wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. Macbook?

I guess I should expand why not a laptop, but it boils down to removing lots of little friction points that make ephemeral ideas harder to put down. 1. Touch first is important because your instruments are touch as well. Being able to record my live instruments and not have to switch to a trackpad to move between UI elements seems small, but it really keeps me in the zone. 2. Same point above, but basically being abl…

I think there is a lot going for the music ecosystem on ipad - lots of affordable apps, cheap effects compared to desktop etc.

At the same time I don't think the device itself is built with the connectivity for the kind of music making I think about. If all your synths and effects live on the iPad and you don't care about after touch maybe, but if you want to hook external gear up the iPad just isn't made for it.

no headphone out. requires an external audio interface to connect to hardware synths. not an aftertouch capable control surface. Not really portable if I have to lug a bunch of supporting equipment to make it usable.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by DamnInteresting »

bookaway wrote: post #124

Am I the only one that finds the process of getting files of a decent size from non-Apple devices to Apple mobile devices incredibly frustrating, almost enough to be a deal breaker? What is the current best practice for the fastest way to get video files on an IPad as of now?

It's not just non-Apple devices. I use my iPad to make music and sketches, and sometimes I need to move files between my iPad and MacBook. Airdrop almost never works, and transferring in the Files app is confusing--sometimes the file won't appear in the relevant app, or sometimes it appears twice, and it's not clear which is the newer version. I often resort to emailing the files back and forth to myself as attachments, which is not ideal.

If anyone knows of a better way to move files to and from an iPad, I would be delighted to hear it.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by statictype »

bookaway wrote: post #124

Am I the only one that finds the process of getting files of a decent size from non-Apple devices to Apple mobile devices incredibly frustrating, almost enough to be a deal breaker? What is the current best practice for the fastest way to get video files on an IPad as of now?

It's gotten better in recent years.

Airdrop.

VLC on the iPad will expose a web server that you can connect to and upload.

Safari on iOS has a download manager as well.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jc_811 »

quijoteuniv wrote: post #168
dagmx wrote: post #11

Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. The promise has been there since stuff like 8tracks on the iPhone 3G, and various Audio Units already on iOS. But I’ve always found the workflow very limiting or clunky. (Edit: I’m a Logic Pro user on macOS so my comments reflect getting things into that specifically) The divide from putting down an idea when it hits, to working it into something, has always been…

The idea that any piece of gear enables artist is one of the biggest lies we have been sold. True Artist will use any tool at their reach to do art. In terms of music the level is so high already that is irrelevant. Sound is not music.

Does a piano player relying on a piano not count as “gear enabling an artist”? If there’s no piano does that true artist start playing a napkin instead because it’s within their reach?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by hammyhavoc »

Kerrick wrote: post #113
kotaKat wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be interesting to see them modify their Apple One tiers. Split out Premier to a "Premier home" tier (keeping News+ and Fitness+) and a "Pro" tier at the same price that gives you 4TB of iCloud Drive + Logic and Final Cut instead of the 2TB/News/Fitness option.

I'm not certain, but I think Apple including video editing software in a subscription called "Premier Pro" might anger Adobe's lawyers.

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by mvanbaak »

vuln wrote: post #47
mvanbaak wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is it written that a tablet is the same as a portable laptop? iPad Pro not designed as portable presentation tool, it's designed to be a portable touch-enabled apple device that can be used for creative workflows. The presentation setup, in apple's view, is an appletv connected to a tv and one or more HomePods for the audio. and you can use an iPad or iPhone or MacBook to cast to the screen+audio. Like I said b…

> Where is it written that a tablet is the same as a portable laptop? iPad Pro not designed as portable presentation tool, it's designed to be a portable touch-enabled apple device that can be used for creative workflows. Now you’re putting words in my mouth and appearing dense. I never said it was the _same_ as a laptop. I said it’s used similarly. I have never once seen someone being “creative” on their iPad in a p…

The only thing I can say is that we are in different parts of the world. Around me, a lot of people use the iPad to do drawings, animation, audio and video editing where a laptop or workstation is simply not possible because there's no desks / infrastructure to connect/power/store those products.

The macbooks are indeed used more by developers, but as soon as you get into the more 'creative' areas, the iPad + pencil for those kind of things wins big time.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by TheRealPomax »

ericzawo wrote: post #156

A subscription for Logic is nuts. It's already $300 software for the Mac. I would be fine paying another one-time fee if it meant I had it forever on my iPad. It really is stellar software, as evidenced by it's two-decade presence in the industry, but to move to subscription feels very... un-Apple (at least in this Professional Media Software context).

It's $199. It's only ever been $499 until 2013, when the price suddently dropped to $199, and it has been that ever since.

Logic Pro is ridiculously cheap compared to most other DAW out there. There aren't tiers, there's no upsell to unlock basic features like unlimited tracks, it's just a full featured DAW, the end. Heack, a license for the "full feature, but not bundle-padded, version of X" costs:

- Reason: $60 (personal/limited commercial license)

- Renoise: $75 (and is the only tracker-style DAW)

- Tracktion Waveform: $149

- FL Studio: $199 (thankfully)

- Reaper: $225 (unlimited commercial license, by the time you need this, you already have seven other DAW already, too)

- Cubase: $329

- Studio One: $399

- Bitwig Studio: $399

- Ableton: $449

- Reason: $499

- Pro Tools: $499

So it's a great deal!

...

...but...

...$199 is also extreme expensive for people who bought a second hand mac, or have a hand-me-down ipad, and don't have two hundred dollars to casually spend on something they never played with because it's been out of reach due to a sky-high price. A subscription for Logic is the complete opposite of nuts. At $5 a month, someone can use Logic for 40 months before it would have been cheaper to buy it up front. That's more than three years, but which time you either know this is what you love, or you stopped using it already and moved on to another hobby. Heck, at $45 a year, that's four or even five years. Plenty of time to get your priorities straight and start saving if audio work brings you joy.

The audio crowd got used to incredibly high prices for software, $100+ for an app or even plugin is considered "normal", and has made it completely impossible for kids or just people without disposable income to get into. Everyone knows this, which is why everyone who actually cares to get those folks into their ecosystem either dropped their prices, or now offers a subscription model in addition to buying a perpetual license for a specific version.

And in an ecosystem where subscriptions are $9.99/mo (which they pretty much all are), $5/mo is a power move.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by hammyhavoc »

rchaud wrote: post #136
basisword wrote: post #64

So many “I don’t get it” comments in this thread. And complaints about the subscription pricing. The market for this seems pretty obvious - teenagers. iPad seems like the default computer for kids these days and kids like to create. When I was a teenager I had to build my own PC, struggle to pirate Cubase and some plugins and it was a nightmare. When I finally got a MacBook Logic being $200 was out of reach still. A…

Kids aren't creating on iPads though. The only tools needed are TikTok/Snapchat + filters. Beyond that, it starts to feel like work . YouTubers making 'long form' video (> 5 mins) also aren't going to buy an iPad when their computer does the job just fine. And even then, Mac owners don't necessarily use Final Cut; Adobe Premiere and Davinci Resolve are enormously popular.

Bold of you to assume that YouTubers are using full-fledged computers in the first place. Video editing on cellphones and tablets has been a thing for yonks.

What about the people that will emerge as YouTubers because they can now run a channel without buying a computer?

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